I've been vegan for 9 years lol

I am convinced that vegans today will be like we look at abolitionists like Alexander Hamilton back during the 18th century. People will be horrified that we treated animals so abysmally for convenience, and some will say it was a normal and accepted practice, and people didn't realize how horrible it was, and others will point to the vegans of today.

Thoughts like those make me a little more understanding of people like George Washington. He recognized it was bad, tried to mitigate it, but still perpetuated the practice. Just like I switched to Impossible Beef and chicken, do my best to buy local family eggs, but buy cheese and milk and ice cream from big name companies like Tillamook and Ben & Jerry's.

Vegans continue to exist, to eat delicious food, and to mention their diet to other people.

I find this unforgivable.

Also factory farming is responsible for i think 10% of the total greenhouse gas emissions yearly

What a great episode

Vegan antinatalist utilitarianism ftw

No no, that would hurt the feelings of the man-children that get triggered by vegans existing. They're too sensitive, they can't take it, it would be an act of cruelty towards animals that have no personal agency, which we all know is something vegans can't condone.

If you're not talking nicely to the plants, you're not a vegan in spirit.

This is actually the case, according to some vegan YouTuber. From what I understand (and according to these people) veganism is about harm reduction, so they shouldn't consume anything produced by exploitation or animal (including human) suffering.

Not consuming animal product should be technically "plant-based" or "vegan diet".

I do applaud their effort, and feel they are certainly stepping towards the right direction, but it would probably take a long time for society to accept this definition.

On the other hand, I feel it is fine to have different definitions for the same word. I think even among the vegan community, there must be many definitions of "animal suffering". I feel it is okay as long as we are doing the best we can do.

HowToBasic videos that don't feature eggs? That sounds weird.

“I’m going to buy vegan ice cream”

“We get it, you’re vegan”

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“I’m going to buy ice cream”

“I thought you were vegan?”

Level 0

Zero?

There’s an argument that it’s “vegan” to eat lionfish if one lives in say, Florida, because they’re an invasive species extremely disruptive to the environment. Killing them is a good thing and the fact that most things on US coasts won’t eat them is part of why we have the problem anyway.

Even if you go full negative utilitarian to the point where you are concerned with wild animal suffering, killing lionfish is good.

veganism, as defined by the vegan society, which was founded by the folks who invented the term.... opposes exploitation and cruelty. if you can find a way to kill em without being cruel, I think you are good.