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[–] Buffaloaf@lemmy.world 154 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I used to hate asparagus, but turns out it's because my mom and grandma would always boil it.

Pro-tip: don't do that, it's awful.

[–] thepianistfroggollum@lemmynsfw.com 75 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yup, properly cooked veggies are awesome.

But, children's taste buds are different from adults. Iirc they taste things more strongly, so the bitter notes are more pronounced.

Also, they've been breeding stuff like brussel sprouts to be less bitter for a while now, so veggies might actually taste better than when we were kids.

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[–] Ibaudia@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I didn't even think you could do that to asparagus. That's seriously demonic.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Whoever invented canned asparagus belongs in extra hell

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[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Same with Brussel sprout. My step-dad would boil them. Tastes like a soggy sulfur fart. But cut them in half, toss them in a bit of oil, salt and pepper, roast them until crispy in the oven with, and they're delicious. Oddly sweet, even. Try with other seasonings to enhance further.

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[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Blanche and shock are the only way I actually like asparagus.

I can tolerate a baked or sauteed spear, but the margin for error is too damned small, and either side of it makes it unpalatable.

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[–] DannyMac@lemmy.world 75 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The real reason is that unhealthy food contains ingredients that were rarer for our ancestors to obtain. Dense caloric food meant surviving a winter, but our winter never comes.

[–] Capitao_Duarte 65 points 1 year ago (2 children)

but our winter never comes

Sad George R. R. Martin noises

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[–] BlinkerFluid@lemmy.one 59 points 1 year ago (3 children)

My mom after feeding me canned green beans for years watching me wolf down green beans at my house

"You hated veggies when you were a kid."

...sure, mom

[–] SARGEx117@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I looked my mother in the eyes after a long day once and responded to a similar statement with "No, I hated your chilli when I was a kid."

She really does make the absolute worst chilli I've ever tasted. It's so bland. There is almost no chilli powder in it, just some salt and a little bit of pre-ground pepper from a packaged salt/pepper shaker. The recipe amounts to "throw some hamburger and tomato sauce with canned beans in a pot and cook it for an hour and then add random amounts of all THREE seasonings"

It's a wonder I survived to be able to cook on my own.

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[–] BeefPiano@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My kids are the opposite. We can sauté up some fresh green beans and make them so good, but the kids only want to eat the canned ones.

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[–] EfreetSK@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

No! Salt kills you, cooking kills vitamins and when you think you do everything right, then your vegetables don't have good enough quality and don't have enough nutritients. Eating healthy means to suffer, deal with it!!! /s

[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Or just dont overcook/boil your veggies. Everything in moderation.

[–] raynethackery@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Some of us grew up with terrible cooks. Properly cooked broccoli was a religious experience for me.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 45 points 1 year ago (2 children)

White people conquered the whole world looking for spices and then decided they didn't want to use any of them

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Im of Scottish, Irish, and South German descent my ancestors didnt conquer shit beyond the whole bursting into flames under direct sunlight problem.

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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Because you are designed to seek out salt and sugar as a survival trait; then decided to mass produce it and put it into everything. Now your tastebuds have been ruined, even the standard apple/banana has been genetically modified to have more sugar

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 21 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Genetically modified? That's a stretch.

Like many other cultures, bananas and apples were selectively reproduced to obtain fruits with more to eat. Corn, carrots, every single kale and cabbage, potatoes, oranges and even strawberries can go into this basket.

The wild banana has almost nothing to eat, being filled with large seeds and we can still find wild apples, by nature very tart but still edible. Every single cereal we plant and harvest today was originally nothing more than a wild grass.

But to call the work of millenia and who knows how many generations of farmers genetic modifications is a bit over the top.

GMOs are very recent introductions and normally for obtaining pest, drought or disease (more) resistant plants.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (6 children)

We absolutely genetically modified pretty much all of our food. We just did it by selective breeding.

The only difference with modern GMO is we've learned to do it directly much faster. We don't need a random mutation to add a trait anymore.

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[–] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

iirc the modern banana is actually a less flavorful variety than centuries past, but not for selective breeding reasons. The more popular variety, the Gros Michel, was susceptible to a certain fungus that wiped it out by the 60s. Those apparently tasted closer to the artificial banana flavoring that is still used today and in fact are what that flavoring was based on (albeit probably quite a bit more sugary and concentrated since it's still a candy flavoring).

And then you have other produce like apples and tomatoes being bred for size and yield, since that will both net more profit and feed more people. This often necessarily means that the produce will lose flavor in the process, as well as nutritional value by weight since the size/yield increase is mostly just the crop taking up more water. (I think the genetic modification you mentioned is in some part meant to correct that inverse relationship between yield and nutritional density, but I'd have to read up more on the subject.)

So I think you can just as much argue that it's not our tastebuds being ruined so much as produce itself being considerably less appealing to them.

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[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 42 points 1 year ago (23 children)

"Oh my God!"

Who is God's God?

[–] BigPapaE@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

Super God, duh

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[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (5 children)

"Oh my God!" - God

I think God is, by definition, an atheist, though, since God must not believe in a higher power.

[–] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I feel like God would have the capacity to realize he is the higher power. Nothing says there has to be a higher power at each level.

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[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 year ago (14 children)

I'm lazy so here's lazy delicious veggie tip:

Get a rice cooker. Get rice and FROZEN pre-processed (chopped) veggies. These are still very inexpensive, require no preparation, last forever in the freezer, and are actually FRESHER than "fresh" veggies, since they are picked when ripe and then flash frozen rather than picked prematurely and sprayed with a ripening agent. Your rice cooker should come with a veggie tray so you can cook the rice and veggies simultaneously. Drop them in there and fire it up. Get yourself some "simmering sauce" and heat it up in a pan for ~15 minutes and baby you got a stew goin'.

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[–] Colorcodedresistor@lemm.ee 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Never forget, wars were fought for spice. people died to not have to consume bland food.

and yet you pass the spice aisle every grocery visit, shame.

;)

[–] CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

The spice must flow

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[–] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] tfw_no_toiletpaper@feddit.de 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (15 children)

I still don't understand why the cooking skill of my parents sucked this bad. I started cooking on my own when I moved out and even after just a bit of practise and good recipes you can cook tasty meals. How do you go on 50 years failing this, I don't understand. If I see another bowl of dry rice, canned peas and ready marinated chicken from some discounter I'm going to throw up.

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Boomers came up as fast food franchises and convenience foods began to dominate. The equal rights movement meant more women in the workplace and less in the kitchen and instead of spreading the burden, capitalism filled in the gaps.

[–] rchive@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago

Another explanation is that American cuisine got wrecked by the Great Depression. Everything that had flavor was expensive. People's inability to purchase and make certain foods stopped generational transfer of knowledge on how to make certain things. Thankfully, after several generations it's finally recovering.

"Ethnic" food (non European) wasn't as affected as much.

I heard an interview about a book on it a few years ago but now I can't find it.

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[–] havokdj@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (10 children)

So the question is...

Who was he referring to when he said "oh my god"?

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago

I would have written that as "oh my me"

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[–] Skkorm@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I just spent Thanksgiving with my family, and was reminded how much my parents love boiling things. Fucking disgusting, no spices either? Fuck bland potatoes. It takes almost no effort to just toss a bunch of fucking spices on them and then put them in the oven.

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[–] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For lazy people like me: air fryer works great for asparagus and broccoli, taste good even with only salt.

[–] DillyDaily@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

As a lazy person who grew up with a parent who's method of cooking vegetables was just "boil it till its grey!", if a vegetable can be eaten raw, I will be eating it raw.

Raw broccoli dipped in garlic greek yoghurt is delicious, nutritious and fast/lazy to prepare.

I'm on the hunt for a vegan alternative that is decent, but until then, crunchy carrots and sugar snap peas are my go-to lazy veggies.

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[–] ThePac@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Anybody trying to tell me that sauteed veggies taste as good as a hamburger has lost from the beginning.

[–] Surdon@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Honestly fresh veggies sautéed right are better than any hamburger, and I love to eat meats

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[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd take those over some greasy burgers any time of the day

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[–] Theharpyeagle@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Maybe you just need to find the right veggies or the right seasoning. I wouldn't say I love veggies more or less than a burger, but they add much needed variety.

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[–] Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also don't boil your vegetables. I was raised in boiled broccoli and sprouts, and steaming baskets changed my life!

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[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Seriously though I’m amazed at how many people don’t understand basic cooking and how easy and necessary it is to take interest in self health and basic nourishment. But then get shocked when their organs start to shut down before 50. Like “omg they are trying to kill us all with salt and sugar in fast food” shouldn’t be a shock anymore. It’s capitalism. That’s how it works. They don’t care about your body.

[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

All these air fryer, broiler, sautéing, and other methods...

Y'all forgot about microwaves. Microwaves and veggies are amazing. Broccoli, carrots, etc. Microwave until a fork still has a little resistance. Add a spot of sour cream or honey and dill... Or something. Tada. So fast. So yummy.

[–] HiddenLychee@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Okay I microwave veggies a lot because it's convenient but we cannot pretend that the fart cloud created by microwaved broccoli is in anyway close to the delicious crispyness of stir fried or baked broccoli

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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sauté it in what, God?

...

Sauté it in what?

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