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[–] Cimbazarov@hexbear.net 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Its really too bad the soviet union didnt last long enough that it couldve been around while the empire is in full decline. At the same time, maybe this decline wouldnt have happened had it been around. thinkin-lenin

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

I do think that the fall of USSR accelerated the process significantly. Had USSR managed to course correct the way China did, I think the west would've still ended up in a crisis in the long term, but could've been many decades from now.

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

I would make the argument the USSR collapsing wasnt actually like a bad thing for the goals of the USSR. When you look at it from the perspective of like international socialism what the USSR did was basically contain and restrict the US post WW2, and offer itself as a sacrficial lamb while doing so. It spread socialism, stopped the empire from getting total global dominance, tried out a ton of stuff to show future socialist projects what to do, and not to do. Then it collapsed which made the west let their guard down.

The USSR might not still be around physically but its actions and their consequences ripply through time and have massive beneficial effects. Id bet money too that in 100 years all former soviet states will be socialist again. Even if not in the form of the USSR again. Assuming the US doesnt decide to do its own samson option anyway.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 11 hours ago

I largely agree, the west achieved a Pyrrhic victory over the Soviet Union.

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 8 points 18 hours ago

I like the bloomer optimism, I'll be thinking of it from now on when I get all ussr-cry

[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Why is that? I would think the USSR staying around as a rival power would make things more difficult, not less difficult, for the west.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 11 hours ago

Michael Parenti does a good job explaining it here http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/27c/046.html

[–] Finger@hexbear.net 16 points 1 day ago

no more half measures walter