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Raising Prices by AI (pawb.social)

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[–] sanity_is_maddening@lemmy.world 8 points 2 hours ago

I suggest you check the degoogle communities here on Lemmy, or the reddit one (idk if you still use reddit) for the alternatives that suit you. I've degoogle for quite a while and never looked back. I don't even use YouTube anymore. But us that degoogle, don't necessarily choose the same alternatives, as we have different needs, requirements or skills. And there are a lot of options, especially if you are willing to pay for services as you obviously are given your predicament.

If this is due to you owning a small business and this has been your chosen service, the shift can be a bit daunting, but many people have degoogle their small businesses with no problem and even saved money afterwards. This depends on what you end up choosing.

I'm sorry for the situation you're in. Take your digital sovereignty back as a response to this type of corporate decisions. And remain vigilant. As some of the alternatives might become as corrupt one day.

Good luck on whatever your decision may be.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 hours ago

Paying for corpotrash.

[–] SonOfAntenora@lemmy.world 28 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Google wants to replace most of its features with gemini powered tools. This is just the beginning. They own youtube and of course they're starting to train their models on that too, they have a deal with reddit so they're also turning all known internet forums into a huge database.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 20 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

It's so weird because Gemini is one of the dumbest of these bots out there.

[–] KuroiKaze@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

It was six months ago but not anymore

[–] fishy@lemmy.today 4 points 2 hours ago

Still fucking garbage lol.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 9 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Lots of victim-blaming in these comments

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Nobody is forcing them to use Google services. And under capitalism voting with our wallets is all we got.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 15 points 3 hours ago

Nobody is forcing them to use Google services.

If you’re a small business with no IT budget, your options are pretty limited.

You can choose from 2 or 3 horrible companies that actually integrate with your stuff out-of-the-box, or you can do a bunch of manual work that none of your competitors are doing.

For a lot of companies, it’s not ignorance or carelessness, but a sober understanding that they’ll have to “render unto Caesar” before they can move on.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 15 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Adobe is doing this too and unless their AI is going to fix the legacy bugs the company clearly doesn't care enough to fix then it's not good enough to cost more.

[–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Affinity
GIMP

Etc.

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 55 points 10 hours ago

Cancel sounds great! 👌

[–] mrfriki@lemmy.world 75 points 10 hours ago

Then cancel I guess.

[–] ch00f@lemmy.world 59 points 10 hours ago

They're also bundling AI with their most expensive tiers. More than likely logging 100% of that revenue towards AI to justify this whole boondoggle.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 29 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Dont use subscription services.

[–] saddlebag@lemmy.world 25 points 6 hours ago

Pay for services that respect their users

FTFY

Proton mail, mullvad, bitwarden to name a few

[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 38 points 7 hours ago

This does not work for nearly 100% of people. Fucking health insurance is a subscription. Guess a lot of Americans don't have them, though.

[–] it_depends_man@lemmy.world 19 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Wtf is google offering that you're paying for anyway? advertising?

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 47 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Google Workspace (GMail, Meet, Calendar Drive, Docs, Sheets, ...) is a popular alternative to MS365 among companies.

[–] callmemagnus@lemmy.world 11 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

🤢

[–] tiramichu@sh.itjust.works 42 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Things change.

Ten years ago I joined a newly formed small company. They were all-in on the google suite for everything, and it was great. Gmail, docs, meet, all joined up really well and fully cloud so everyone could work just as easily from home as in the office, with no on-prem hardware or VPNs or anything. It made the work so productive.

But of course enshittification happens, corps get evil, and everything goes down the toilet.

These days I am degoogling as much as possible and would never choose g-suite again, either personally or for business, but 10 years ago for that small business it was a godsend.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 7 points 5 hours ago

It's not like 365 is so great anyway

[–] AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 hours ago

Storage on google drive comes to mind. Not that I pay for it, but I know it's something others do.

[+] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world -29 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Use Microsoft 365

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Use LibreOffice and some more independent cloud services!

[–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Poor choice for most businesses.

[–] brendansimms@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

why would free and open source software be bad for a business?

[–] SpatchyIsOnline@lemmy.world 26 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Out of all the options, you somehow landed on the one thing that's actually worse. I'm genuinely kind of impressed.

[+] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world -21 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

Nah, y'all just like to screech at MS while ignoring that the office is by far the most complete product in that space.

But I guess MS has brainwashed hundreds of millions business and it's actually trash 🙄.

It's so painfully obvious when folks who have no experience in this area screech about M365.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Ok, but if the goal is "avoid paying for AI I don't want", M365 is worse. They were one of the first companies to start bundling it into every license tier available.

They didn't immediately raise their prices when they started bundling it, but it's the same tactic of using whatever tricks they can to inflate user numbers of AI.

Edit: In agreement with your main point though. Lots of angry people on lemmy who aren't the target audience for MS products and don't actually use it who make a ton of noise about it.

[–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Still cheaper than Google though, AND better policy on training data and residency.

I've managed an MSP. I have cursed them too many times. Trust me I get annoyed with random teams shit.

Unless you gave me 5x the budget or already have a large team of engineers I'd never ever advise a business to roll their own. It just doesn't make sense.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 hours ago

100%. Never been in management, but I'm in sysadmin/engineering/minor architecture design.

I feel like every time I get frustrated with MS's bullshit, within a day I'm dealing with even worse from some non-MS system we have at my workplace that should have a dedicated team assigned but doesn't.

[–] Little8Lost@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I agree that its the one (at least i) was able to work with best BUT when i really need an office product thats fancier than LibreOffice i would choose Softmaker because it works very similar, is cheaper & not primarily there for shareholders

And you poor guy talked about a ms in a space where a lot dont like ms

[–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Too many people not understanding that these suits are more than editors 🤦‍♂️

They are workplace tools. With an IdP, backups, MDM fleet management, rbac, litigation holds, etc.

[–] BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I can use libre office which gets all my needs done, I see that as complete.

[–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Do you run a business? Do you need an IdP and role based access? Do you need to back up emails and documents from your employees? Do you need IT insurance to cover your ass or have compliance needs?

Then maybe you aren't the primary audience for these tools.

[–] BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I work it for an organization with roughly 3000 people, and we have compliance needs. Ones that may conflict with Microsoft automatically backing up excel files with SSNs that are being worked on to an off premise cloud 2000 miles away.

[–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world -1 points 3 hours ago

M365 absolutely provides controls for that. You can have it scan your entire SharePoint/one drive for PII, phi, cc, etc. you can even prevent it from saving it you really need to be critical about it.

[–] Zombie@feddit.uk 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

https://nextcloud.com/

[–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Sure, and now go ahead and hire engineers at 150k a pop to support it and talk to me about the about the labor hours you spent getting it set up, integrated, and maintained.

You aren't fighting against the ability to do so, you are fighting against doing it at $120 per user for the year.

Additionally the nextcloud plan that is comparable to Ms business tier is now expensive with less features 🤣

[–] Zombie@feddit.uk 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I guess we better just lie down and give up against the capitalist machine then.

Why strive for better when our masters and superiors can do everything cheaper than us?

Microsoft is shit, for a myriad of reasons. From the quality of the products they sell, to monopolistic anticompetitive practices, to supporting genocide in Gaza.

Not everything in the world is about money and convenience.

[–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world -2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Probably should have started there then. Because it's not shit, that's clear to anyone who has actually had to support a business and its employees.

Question though, you'll scream about Microsoft because of Gaza, but what are you doing about the Tankie Lemmy/fed coders supporting iran, China, and Russia? Do you propose a fork? Do you think users would understand development and servers being cut down 50%? What are you doing about the code they use and members of this community contribute to further their propaganda?

Screaming at companies who don't kneecap themselves is bad strategy. Nothing will change without a change to laws and to expect otherwise it's foolish.

They were complaining about the price and I gave them the most feature complete ready to go cheaper solution and you went off on a tangent.

[–] Zombie@feddit.uk 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

It is shit. That's clear to anyone who has actually used any Microsoft product. You're a sycophant for a corporation that doesn't care about you and never will.

I don't know how long you've used the internet for, but generally THIS IS REGARDED AS SCREAMING, not this, so no, I'm not screaming. You used screeching in a previous comment as well. You're not commenting in good faith, or with an open mind.

You talk about me going on a tangent and yet have somehow diverted the conversation to Lemmy devs, Iran, China, and Russia. Hypocrite much.

Maybe you're human, maybe you're AI, what's obvious though is you lack a soul. The corporates have captured you.

I hope you can find a way over your corporate affliction, but for now, continuing conversation with you is pointless.

https://bdsmovement.net/microsoft

https://noazureforapartheid.com/

[–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world -2 points 3 hours ago