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[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 284 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (21 children)

Look how stupid your country is, to hand the death of NATO to Putin because you’re on his side.

Thanks for the war and death and heat, Americans.

Fuck you.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 131 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

We're pretty pissed off at ourselves right now too. I'm sorry things got this far and wish I could offer more than fear and frustration...

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[–] UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 135 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Just removing the US from another world stage

Soon we will be completely irrelevant

Which is the plan

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 53 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Gonna be as isolated at North Korea by the end of this administration. As trusted too.

[–] conicalscientist@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

Except they have the largest nuclear arsenal and the world biggest navy. They can't be ignored.

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[–] SilentStorms@lemmy.dbzer0.com 113 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Honestly, the American far-right unknowingly dismantling US global hegemony piece by piece is pretty sick

[–] jwmgregory@lemmy.dbzer0.com 67 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

they’re doing it very knowingly… they wrote an entire nearly 1000 page fucking document detailing exactly what they’re doing in excruciating detail.

the fascists == idiots trope needs to go bc that’s exactly what makes them dangerous. lots of these fuckers are quite intelligent and conniving. you should be weary.

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[–] Bwaz@lemmy.world 100 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

As directed by Vladamir Putin.

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[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 92 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

What's next? Helping Russia in their wars? I hope it was fucking worth it to "own the libs."

[–] KMAMURI@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Next is Canada and Greenland, then on to Europe where I will meet big daddy Putin in the middle.

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[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 83 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

france was right all along

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[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 77 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

They want out because it's stopping to be a market for the US military industries, as Europe increasingly wants to spend domestically. As such, it now has very little interest.

US: We want you to spend more on defence!
Europe: Ok, we will buy more, from our own companies!
US: That's not what I meant! I'm going home!

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 33 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They wanted to leave during Trump’s first term because it helps Russia’s war with Europe

The increased spending is just meant to make the incumbents unpopular so the Russian backed candidates can win

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[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 74 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

If the US leaves NATO, Europe would lose a lot of support.

If the US stays in NATO, they would refuse to support them anyway and could use their veto power to stop any potential action.

If they're not going to have the support of the US military either way, and the US staying in NATO could prevent the organization from taking any action at all, it may be in the best interest of Europe for the US to leave NATO so they can't cripple it from within.

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[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 65 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This took longer than I thought it would. It seemed like a priority during trump’s 1st term, then it stalled.

Given some of Putin’s comments lately, he seems increasingly restless. I wonder if this is related to that?

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 55 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

He's preparing to attack the Baltics.

[–] Eril@feddit.org 22 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I would say the rest of NATO should be able to hold against Russia for sure, especially in its current state.

I would just be worried about short-term problems because of disrupted logistics due to the US withdrawing. Or maybe that other countries would follow the US in leaving.

But in the end, that is just my guess.

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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 54 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

US: "NATO members need to up their defense spending!"

NATO: "Okay, we'll do it."

US: "Actually, We're leaving NATO." 🤡

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[–] reluctant_squidd@lemmy.ca 49 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

I keep getting this sinking feeling that this is all leading up to a precise and coordinated attack of evil.

Russia bombards the EU, the US attacks Greenland and Canada, while Israel finally bulldozes Gaza and Iran. China takes Taiwan and the south sea.

All at the same time so NATO is overwhelmed and can’t decisively defend it all without risking spreading too thin. No matter what happens, one of the bad guys gains ground.

I honestly have no idea if this is even possible, it’s based on a dream I had a few weeks ago.

Disturbing thought though.

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

Russia is losing against Ukraine, the fuck they gonna do against EU, unless they use nukes in which case who cares, it's game over

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[–] PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space 27 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Israel might bulldoze Gaza and maybe a few Mashriq countries, but it would suffocate on Iran. That's a fucking big country.

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[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Israel, Iran, China, and Taiwan are all outside the scope of NATO.

Canada, Greenland, and most of the EU do fall under NATO protection though. It's a defensive alliance with well defined boundaries, member countries may have interests in other parts of the world, but since none of Israel, Iran, China, or Taiwan are NATO members it's not something NATO deals with. Unless one of those countries were to attack NATO of course.

Russia is in no shape to make war on Europe right now, they have their hands full with just Ukraine, and face economic collapse. Iran is in a similar situation. Trump has stopped his 51st state talk, but he's insane so you never know. China invading Taiwan? Trump is weak (he only talks tough) so you never know. But China is authoritarian and as we've seen of late authoritarian regimes don't seem to be doing well running military campaigns so it's possible they don't even have the capability of invading Taiwan.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 46 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is literally the behavior of a traitor

Seriously, what happened USA? You were never the best, not even close, you were one of the worst, but st least you tried. Now you just kinda dropped pretence and went full asshole

[–] P1k1e@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And only 6 months into one administration. Honestly I've never seen politicians work so fast at anything

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[–] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 44 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

That's fine, just pack your shit and close all military bases in nato countries as well.

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 41 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Does the bill include all military installation closures and those that are on European territories? For example Greenland. If MAGA wants out, then GTFO and I do not want hear any crying afterwards because that will give the Europeans every excuse not purchase US made weapons. I'm certain US MIC lobbyists will weasel their way in to tear apart the bill.

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[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 40 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

If they're going to withdraw then why are they strong arming all the other nations to spending 5% GDP on defense? If they're not in NATO, who gives a fuck what they want?

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 42 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

Probably because they want those 5% GDP spent for contracts with the 'murican military industrial complex.

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[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 39 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (10 children)

I'm not saying Donald is a russian asset... But what more could daddy vladdy wish for?

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[–] oyzmo@lemmy.world 37 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Incredible to observe the rapid (self)destruction of US. I'm just waiting for a couple of states to declare independence. Within a 5-10 years USA will be history like the Sovjet Union; it will break down into smaller countries.

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[–] TemplaerDude@lemm.ee 36 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Mike Lee is obviously a fucking traitor lol Americans stand up for your country and shoot the motherfucker

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[–] Grizzlyboy@lemmy.zip 32 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

I had so many brain dead idiots attack me over at Reddit, for claiming America would withdraw from NATO if trump won. They weren’t just Americans, but also Europeans.

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[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago (26 children)

Honestly, NATO might be better off without them

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[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] nthavoc@lemmy.today 28 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yup. Doing Putin's work. So you're going to withrdraw from an even more powerful alliance right in the middle of an arms race. Fucking genius strategery right there.

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[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

He's just stirring shit to get his name out there isn't he?

[–] wjrii@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago

Utahns generally don't like to draw attention to themselves as firebrands (e.g. Mitt Romney, Orrin Hatch), so methinks the Senator is planning to get into the 2028 presidential primary.

[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago
[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Of course NATO is not a trusted organization to an administration consisting exclusively of Russian agents.

Seriously, are we sure these assholes even speak English and have English names or is there some cover-up going on?

[–] Litebit@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

wow, even after NATO members helped US.

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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Isn't this the same psycho whose reaction to Minnesota politicians being assassinated was conspiracy theories?

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[–] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.bascul.in 24 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

From a Turkish perspective, it's fucking ridiculous for Trump to first convince us to increase the defense budget, then withdraw from the alliance completely. The fuck is his goal?

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