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California vice-mayor under fire after allegedly urging gangs to ‘organize’ over Ice
(www.theguardian.com)
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I wish these politicians would rub some brain cells together and start calling for the formation of a California militia.
Not a gang.
A militia.
Find a way to incentivize Oregon and Washington to form their own as well.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_defense_force
They're like the Nat guard, but don't get federalized.
If the vice mayor tells them to organize, it qualifies as "well regulated" I suppose.
I get what she was trying to say, but her execution was piss poor.
I'm Mexican/American, born and raised in Southern California and this woman is an idiot. Ever since I was a kid, gangs have TERRORIZED our neighborhoods. My brother and I were beat up, harassed, and constantly in fear because of the street gangs in our area. All gangs, no matter the race, are HORRIBLE people who kill and rob their own. This politician almost "glorifying" this crap is a slap in the face to us who have had to endure street gang's wrath of violence in our neighborhoods.
Remember when The Black Panthers were labeled a "gang"? You know, that OG "revolutionary" org initially focused on armed self-defense against police brutality, by blending Black nationalism, socialism, and self-defense, while advocating for the rights & empowerment of African Americans and marginalized people everywhere?
They created and maintained such heinous criminal enterprises as:
- Free Breakfast for Children Program,
- People's Free Medical Clinics (PFMCs),
- Liberation Schools
- the Oakland Community School
- and many other community-activation initiatives
Yeah. Exactly. They're criminalizing any & all resistance. Full stop.
Fascists gonna fascist.
Oh man, the parallels with history here are strong...
Back in the day companies would use government to crack down on things like union strikes. So the unions started working with the Mafia for protection.
This didn't work out well for the companies (executives getting carried off, tortured, and executed... That sort of stuff) so the government came up with a compromise: Strong labor laws.
Now we have the government itself violating it's own laws (Bill of Rights), kidnapping harmless people, sending them to faraway prisons to become slaves. Hooking up with organized crime seems like a logical path 🤷
...as in: WTF did you think was going to happen‽
The best deal leaders could ask for is a strong social contract. They don't have to look over their shoulders we don't have to look over ours.
Also the ability to safely leave power. Jimmy Carter got to spend his retirement building houses for charity, Saddam Huissen got to spend his in hiding, Ghaddafi got to spend it being tortured awaiting execution by a mob of his citizens, and Hitler's retirement was spent absolutely ruining a bunker toilet while going through withdrawal. I'd much rather rule with limits then step away safely.
Yea, there is no way Trump steps away clean from this. If he leaves office voluntarily there will be legal attacks on him until the day he dies.
It was more like the mafia realized that if they could take over the labor unions, they could use them to bully and extort money from unionized businesses by threatening labor actions like strikes. And they knew that unions would have a hard time turning down muscle, so they would make union leaders “an offer they couldn’t refuse”. Also the mafia was way more likely to torture a union boss who realized it was a deal with the devil than use violence against a wealthy business owner.
Those who don't read history are doomed to repeat it.
Read? Like subtitles?
she's right though, like historically, gangs are a source of community organization in neighborhoods that the government has written off, this is the time for them to shine and really help their communities
The mob has always taken pride in these roots. Let us hope they understand ICE are just disposable street enforcer fodder for billionaires and politicians.
I mean the Navy did ask for the mafias help monitoring the fishing routes and docks up the east coast during world war 2 to monitor for German vessels bringing fuel back to submarines and such. Believe they asked Jewish gangs for help as well to break up NAZI sympathizer groups and monitor worker unions. Hard to say what may have actually been happening though. We can say for sure they commuted a Mafia members sentence and deported him back to Italy right after the war ended.
In August 1960, the CIA contacted the Cosa Nostra in Chicago with the intention to draft simultaneous assassinations of Fidel Castro, Raúl Castro, and Che Guevara. In exchange, if the operation were a success and a pro-U.S. government were restored in Cuba, the CIA agreed that the Mafia would get their "monopoly on gaming, prostitution and drugs".
I mean sort of. I’m not sure gangs are a healthy way for neighborhoods to organize though.
I mean I don’t care if they take action against ICE but there’s a reason they’re not, and it’s because gangs exist to look after their own interests first. They don’t want to start a war with the feds for obvious reasons.
Sounds like a solid take. More people should be encouraging violence against ICE.
The only good ICE agent is a dead ICE agent
I mean, it's in the fucking name. Ice ICE, baby!
Alright stop...
Collaborate and Listen.
something something "while the gia'teen resolves this"
It's hammer time.
Fuck that. This woman’s the first to speak up against this shit. I hope the gangs were listening.
The mayor of LA has been speaking up.
I agree 100%. The Icestopo must be stopped.
It's right there in the name!
They're mad precisely because she's right
Oh no. Would be such a shame when the cowards from ICE get shot on the street while (checking notes) terrifying children and using them to get to their parents.
…
Suuuuuuuuuuuch a shame I tell you!
So. The person in charge of ensuring those under their care know how serious this is and is fighting with them.
Of COURSE the bully doesn't want that do, so the mayor us now under the gun.
This is not the United states my ancestors died for. It isn't the land I grew up in over 50 years ago, and isn't the country my son was born into.
before anyone responds all snarky while there's no sword of ICE over your heads like my wife has, don't want to hear it. I didn't vote for trump, did vote though, so no this isn't my fault, or my kids, or my wife's. Yes im in the streets and fuck off to anyone who isn't in the streets or protesting trump yet still has a bullshit reply.
This is not the United states my ancestors died for.
It literally is, though. Trump isn't a new kind of president, he's a return to the nation's white nationalist authoritarian roots.
The founding fathers weren't interested in liberty and freedom, they were just pissed that they weren't kings themselves.
If not for Dunmore's Proclamation, Washington would have still been fighting for the British
The two were on good terms not two years earlier when Washington believed Dunmore would help him secure more territory in the Ohio River Valley.
If any German historians are among us please share what German organized crime was up to 1925 ~ 1945
Ringvereine:
These associations of criminals, which had been a feature of German society since the late 19th century, continued to operate, albeit underground, even after being banned by the Nazis.
The Nazis viewed crime through a racial and biological lens, targeting individuals deemed "asocial" or "hereditarily predisposed to criminality". This ideology led to the detention of many individuals in concentration camps without due process.
The Nazi regime actively constructed a narrative of Jewish criminality, using it as a tool for persecution, dispossession, and ultimately, genocide.
The Nazi regime itself became a perpetrator of organized crime on a grand scale, engaging in systematic theft, violence, and mass murder against targeted populations, including Jews, Roma, and political opponents.
Change the names of the persecutors and some of the persecuted and you have America today.
Do we have more depth on how the various crime factions faired before during and after? I'm most curious if the Nazi were killed by other Nazi, allies, escaped, etc...
Im glad she said it, I have actually been saying the same thing, it’s time for some gang on gang justice
I fully support this initiative and if some gangbangers want assistance from my lily white ass I'm happy to help.
So she’s doing the same thing as Trump? Just she’s not using an official gang paid by tax dollars.