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[–] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml 66 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I don't know anything about the background.

"Zionist Milei wins the Argentinian presidency pledging to dollarize the economy and break all relations with Argentina's main trading partners.".

What made people vote for this guy?

[–] olgas_husband@lemmygrad.ml 68 points 1 year ago (2 children)

same as every fascist to date, a deep capitalist crisis and the inefficiency of liberal democracy to keep it's word.

in short, argetina took some big ass loans to imf during their military dictatorship, so they are in a permanent crises since that.

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[–] relay@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even in a financial sense isn't that just terrible for 90% of the people there.

[–] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 1 year ago

yes..yes it is

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Latin america is still very anti-communist, so if you run a campaign blaming everything on the leftists, you are going to be popular. It really do be as simple as that, milei just screams stupid incoherent shit and blames the left thats his whole thing.

There were mass murders of leftists throughtout all latin america and its a wound that it is still bleeding.

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[–] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 62 points 1 year ago

Pouring one out for you argentinian comrades

[–] driving_crooner 58 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Living in Brazil and seeing this is so sad, my argentinean friends, we already experimented with the far right candidate here and you could see how fucked up everything was here and now you want a taste of the same?

At least I'm doing well now and I'm going to ask my friends if they want to come here they can crash on my house while they find something.

[–] sovietsnake@lemmygrad.ml 50 points 1 year ago

you won't find anything like that over here, sadly the right is taking a hold of the working class

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

rip, stay safe. you never know with these fascists

[–] Emanuel 49 points 1 year ago (1 children)

owari da

In all seriousness, I'm not Argentinian, but I've been told that Congress and the Judiciary are not aligned with Milei. Hopefully this means only a term of stagnation and no policy instead of actually deterioration in Argentina.

[–] olgas_husband@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

from what I've seen, this is just to save face right now that people are tense, after day one they will align and start to say that he is not that bad, we can dialogue and reach a middle ground and etc...

[–] dRLY@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

True. The main thing they care about is talking without actual actions, and they would rather fascism take over instead of excepting that the centrist systems of liberalism's version of democracy has failed. They fail to see that sometimes there isn't a "next time" to rely on for them or their parties to exist let alone run again.

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[–] Lurkerino@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I had a coworker that escaped Argentina and he told me he hopes Milei wins to fix the economy, wtf was going on in his head idk, he just blamed the left for Argentina's economy. I asked him why did Argentina's economy change so drastically from the 1900, he just said bad financial decisions from the left, not a mention of the UK, USA, or IMF.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or you know, the mass murders perpetrated by the right wing military dictators.

[–] Lurkerino@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I feel like he is a fan of the military junta, considering he also supports Israel.

[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The Junta hated Israel

The Andinia Plan (Spanish: Plan Andinia) is a conspiracy theory that alleged plans to establish a Jewish state in parts of Argentina and Chile. It is partly based on an exaggeration of historical proposals for organized Jewish migration to Argentina in the late 19th and the early 20th century (which, however, did not include plans for a Jewish state there).

The extreme right-wing had a strong foothold in the Argentine military, mostly through the teachings of Jordán Bruno Genta. In these circles, the Andinia Plan was sometimes assumed to be a fact, even though the Zionist movement had abandoned all plans related to Argentina decades earlier.

Later versions of the Plan, as published in Argentine Neo-Nazi media in the 1970s, involved an alleged Israel with the intention to conquer parts of Patagonia in Argentina's south, and declare a Jewish state. This theory did not take hold in mainstream political discourse. Many Israelis tour South America, some of them immediately after their military service as a gap year experience, with Patagonia being a favored destination, this is believed by conspiracy theories to be attempts to carry out the aforementioned Andinia Plan. However, there are strong reasons to doubt the relationship of these facts with the materialization of a plot to make Patagonia a second Israel, of which there is no evidence according to academic studies and the facts.

During the 1976–1983 dictatorship, some Jewish prisoners of the armed forces, notably Jacobo Timerman, were tortured for information about the Andinia plan, and were asked to provide details regarding the alleged preparations of the Israel Defense Forces for the invasion of Patagonia

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[–] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

It's incredibly easy to pin down all the negatives in a society on the left - especially if they've never been in power.

[–] Binkie55@lemmygrad.ml 44 points 1 year ago

dudes an ancap💀

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago (5 children)

What are the chances, if any, of an Argentine the-doohickey

[–] Grimble@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As great as we wishcasters make it. Keep manifesting..

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

who hid the lathe, we need it

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 year ago
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[–] fruityloop@lemmygrad.ml 38 points 1 year ago

horrible news, please stay safe. hoping he won't last long.

[–] DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 37 points 1 year ago

That sucks, stay strong

[–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 36 points 1 year ago

I'm sorry comrade. That's rough.

[–] MasterDeeLuke@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 1 year ago

Now we will get to see to happens when a PCM redditor becomes the leader of a country, unfortunately.

[–] DesiDebugger@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

What are the chances we see this guy run his country into the ground. Like that libertarian town in New Hampshire that got overrun with bears but on a national scale? This sounds like a nightmare to live through for any Argentine comrades.

[–] sovietsnake@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 year ago

Some people compared him with that, lol. I really dont know how much he will be able to do, but he will fuck up as much as he can.

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[–] soumerd_retardataire@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Massive defundings and privatizations in sight...

And :

And b.t.w., contrary to what is often said, the huge i.m.f. debt(, with an 8.07% interest rate, more than others,) is the responsability of the right, as usual :


more here

[–] Valbrandur@lemmygrad.ml 38 points 1 year ago (3 children)

-reducing the age of being considered a minor

Mandatory libertarian point I see

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All pedophiles are nazis and all nazis are pedophiles.

[–] Valbrandur@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 1 year ago

Ackshually it's ebepepheberebophile. And she's a 3000 year old dragon anyway.

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[–] DavidGarcia@feddit.nl 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

he's basically said he'll rip out 90% of the government without replacement. I wonder how realistic that is given the powers he now has. can he even do that legally and practically? aif not, I'm sure he'd happily become dictator for life.

Pretty sure he will end up as just yet another neoliberal comprador. And as such do great harm to the people of Argentina.

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[–] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Will the Milei government be able to cancel the BRICS membership before it takes effect?

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[–] Rasm635u@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Katrisia@lemm.ee 49 points 1 year ago (27 children)

Combine Trump's bullshit with the attitude and ideologies from your average libertarian teenager on the internet: Javier Milei (Argentina).

From Wikipedia in Spanish:

He is a follower of the postulates formulated by economists of the Austrian school, and calls himself "anarcho-capitalist in theory", "liberal libertarian" and "minarchist in real life", although several of his political positions have been described as conservative or ultra-conservative and as fascist or neo-fascist.

From Wikipedia in English:

He criticizes comprehensive sex education in schools as a form of brainwashing, expressed skepticism towards COVID-19 vaccines, supports civilian firearm ownership, proposes to legalize the sale of human organs, promotes the far-right Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory, engages in climate change denial, and wants to restrict immigration of criminals.

Also:

Milei strongly opposes abortion, even in cases of rape, and has suggested a referendum to reconsider the 2020 law (Voluntary Interruption of Pregnancy Bill) that legalized it.

He also opposes euthanasia. Great libertarian, huh?

Basically, he was elected because he's promising fantastic changes for Argentina.

[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 year ago

Sounds like he wants the use of a rather powerful state for someone who claims not to like the state.

[–] driving_crooner 19 points 1 year ago

wants to restrict immigration of criminals.

How is called when a politician wants to do something that is already in place? I emigrated to Argentina in 2007 and had to show police papers from my country of origin showing that I had no funny business to resolve.

[–] Katrisia@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

From @rf_@lemmy.world:

Javier Milei is:

[...]

In favor of Austrian school of economics - Wants to remove the central bank

Adopt the US dollar

Homosexuality is a personal choice and compares it to zoophilia

Wants to freeze relationships with China, Russia, Brazil because they're communists.

Wants to align with the US, particularly Trump's party.

Against the Pope because he represents evil on Earth, and because it promotes communism which goes against the holy scriptures.

In favor of animal cloning

[...]

Almost everything is here: https://www.larazon.es/internacional/america/asi-piensa-milei-aborto-papa-corrupcion-comunismo_20230820655b13fab276150001c04e6f.html

The homosexuality one is trickier because he was explaining his libertarian views, and said: "What do I care what your sexual election is? If you want to be with an elephant—, well, if you have an elephant's consent, it is your and the elephant's problem". So... yes, he is comparing it to zoophilia, but not in the condemning tone I was imagining. It is, still, ridiculous.

“anarcho-capitalist in theory”, “liberal libertarian” and “minarchist in real life”, although several of his political positions have been described as conservative or ultra-conservative and as fascist or neo-fascist.

They wrote "fascist" 7 times in a row 😵

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[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Trump, Wish Dot Com edition.

[–] Stalins_Spoon@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hopefully it can accelerate revolutionary potential, at the very least

[–] Sleazy_Albanese@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

yeah, because that turned out so well last time /s

acceleration that outpaces leftist organising will equal catastrophe.

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