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[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

That's good. The fucking broilers these days eat eachother because they need the energy. And it's not from hormones like that guy below says. It's from selective breeding. But they do grow fucking fast and it's not the ones we eat that we need to worry about primarily, it's their mothers that we need to keep alive through that bullshit. Using smaller, slower growing chickens is more responsible.

[–] Enk1@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Heritage breeds are the way to go if you can find them. Taste better and typically more humanely raised.

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[–] CaptnNMorgan@reddthat.com 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (7 children)

I'll be honest, I've never heard of a drumlet before I posted this thread.

But our KFC order was literally a 12 piece legs and thighs. So why we get this jank shit?

[–] arin@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

So they can scam people who don't know what a drumlet is

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[–] Raxiel@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I guess that's also why people started having turkey for big family gatherings even through chicken tastes better.

Now a chicken is perfectly adequate for a family of four, or even six depending on the trimmings.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I don't necessarily want them bigger. I want them to have 12 legs and wings so there's more of the good parts.

[–] SmoothIsFast@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Squidbillies did it

[–] psud@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

A 2kg chicken is enough for four where two are children

[–] Shard@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In about 65 million years this guy will be the size of a T-Rex

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

At thw current rrate of growth it would be larger than the earth in under 1500 years.

[–] SmoothIsFast@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

They did the math They did the monster math

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 21 points 10 months ago

Took a long time to pokevolve.

[–] Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (12 children)

The explanation behind this is actually pretty disturbing. Due to selective breeding ~~the growth hormones we feed chickens~~ in America, the chickens become fully grown much earlier than usual. It's like the equivalent of becoming a fully grown adult by the time you are the age of five, but you still have the mental and muscle capacity of a five year old.

Between 1957 and 2005, chickens raised for their meat quadrupled in size due to selective breeding. They grow to their slaughter weight in just 6 weeks, and their legs often struggle to support their own body weight.

https://animalequality.org/blog/2021/09/01/green-meat/

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 70 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Chickens do not receive any hormones. It's been banned in poultry in the U.S. since the 1950's when it was tested and shown to be ineffective. Beef commonly gets hormone implants in their ears. No hormones are approved or used in feed.

The rapid growth of the birds is mostly due to selective breeding and nutritional improvements. The growth rate and adult size in animals can be massively changed by breeders. Just look at the Great Dane and mini-yorky in dogs.

They also use antibiotics in the feed to reduce the bacteria load of the birds. This does increase the growth rate and reduces sick birds and deaths. It is not a good idea when it comes to antibiotic resistance buildup in bacteria however.

[–] Electromechanical_Supergiant@lemmynsfw.com 27 points 10 months ago (2 children)

For any Canadians reading this, adding hormones or steroids to meat and dairy animals has always been prohibited here for all types of livestock.

Antibiotics are allowed on sick cows and pigs but they can't be used for dairy or meat until they've been off the antibiotics for a period of time that is supposed to be long enough to flush it from their system. Chickens are too short lived and antibiotics are prohibited if they are to be sold for human consumption.

You know how A&W advertises that their beef is free of added hormones and steroids? Well that's actually true for all meat sold in Canada. A&W is just the only one advertising it. Pretty clever as campaign, actually.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They're also asbestos free!

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

Popeyes Chicken: now 100% less radioactive!

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Coincidentally, this also blocks most of the importation of chicken and beef from the U.S. giving their domestic producers an almost exclusive market.

A happy little accident I guess.

[–] Electromechanical_Supergiant@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

There are a lot of reasons to shit on the beef and dairy cartels in Canada, and they have definitely captured the market with regulation, but I don't believe this is an example of that. I think this is a good safety regulation that actually is in the interest of average Canadians for once.

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[–] oatscoop@midwest.social 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I've raised Cornish crosses and fed them normal, quality feed without any hormones: they ended up looking just like the chicken on the right at about 8 weeks old.

They've been selectively bred over the decades to grow as fast as possible, as big as possible, docile, and stupid.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Hormones in farm feed have been abolished back in the 80s. This is from breeding selective breeds . Stop watching shitty Facebook videos. Your brain has been rotted.

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[–] ElBarto@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

So is that username pronounced "Ho Mobile" as in a car for hoes or "Homo Bile" as in stomach acid from gay people?

[–] whatwhatwutyut@midwest.social 3 points 10 months ago

Or even Ho Mobile, as in a phone company

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[–] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago (14 children)
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[–] TheDeepState@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Teon@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago

50! She's a tough old bird.

[–] Mighty@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

this chicken is probably less than 2 years old. chickens could live for 10years if they'd be left alone.

[–] eclectic_electron@sh.itjust.works 19 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I don't think chickens raised for meat live anywhere near 2 years. Yeah, a quick google shows around a 2 month harvest time for chickens raised for meat. That's a big part of why chickens are such amazing creatures and make such an affordable protein source, they can be sustainably* harvested year round. (Sustainably as in without decreasing the size of your flock.)

Laying hens are productive for two to three years. They rarely make it into the human food supply though, after that long the texture and flavor of the meat changes and American consumers don't prefer it. You can probably get them through a local butcher shop, though they might have to order it for you.

In a small and well managed flock, chickens can live 6 to 8 years. In the wild, I don't think modern chickens would exist at all. Ask anyone who's kept chickens, keeping the hawks and foxes and raccoons etc. out of them is a constant and eternal struggle.

[–] boomzilla@programming.dev 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Laying hens also are productive way beyond their ancestors with 10-20 eggs, which takes a big toll on their bones. According to a study from the university of Kassel an estimated 23-69% per flock come to the slaughtering line with broken keelbones, wings and legs from egg calcium depletion, rough handling and crammed cages.

Egg factory farming is an all around brutal and despicable industry. Look up what forced molting and maceration means and get your own chickens if you're able or eat scrambled tofu.

[–] Emerald@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

The chickens you would be able to get would be the same chickens used in farming, with all the health issues you mentioned.

And yes tofu scramble is amazing

[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Ask anyone who's kept chickens, keeping the hawks and foxes and raccoons etc. out of them is a constant and eternal struggle.

Two things I have learned as a chicken weirdo:

1.) Get dark colored chickens

2.) Get a big mean rooster.

I haven't lost a chicken so far, but I have seen my bigass stupidly brave rooster take on all comers, he has defeated squirrels, snakes, frogs, mice, and a gopher that was apparently pretty bad at making connections. I've watched him chase off a cat and a pretty good sized dog. Foghorn Leghorn is more accurate than I realized.

But more than his incredible dinosaur kung-fu is that he is smart, and communicates with his hens. He will tell them to shelter in the coop, and they will run and hide. A hawk isn't going to want to deal with 15 pounds of land-bird standing in a small doorway.

For the color, a black or gray chicken will be harder to see against the ground than a white one. Also, I think they look cooler than plain white chickens.

[–] Stubb@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

without decreasing the size of your flock.

Read that as "without decreasing the size of your cock"

[–] eclectic_electron@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

Surprisingly relevant lol

[–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Ideal period is 7 weeks. Anything below that is not meaty enough, anything above is too old and stringy meat.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Chickens often die shortly after mating. At least, the one I fucked did.

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[–] yamapikariya@lemmyfi.com 2 points 10 months ago

The same age

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