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[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 67 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ukrainian government in exile will defeat Putin in western hearts and minds.

[–] ExotiqueMatter@lemmygrad.ml 45 points 11 months ago (1 children)

With the power of friendship

[–] supersolid_snake@lemmygrad.ml 54 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The most dangerous weapon on earth, friendship with America.

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 13 points 10 months ago

Dangerous for those who have it.

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 65 points 11 months ago (3 children)

che-smile lib cope is always funny. They can't ever just take the the L. Its always, "this is hiw we actually won," or the classic "it's complicated."

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 36 points 11 months ago

Or "we actually didn't care about that conflict"

[–] Kirbywithwhip1987@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 10 months ago (5 children)

🅱️olsonaro is the only lib who accepted his defeat accordingly lol

[–] valveman 29 points 10 months ago

Did he? I don't remember him saying "I've lost, it's alright guys" to his supporters. He've been saying there was a fraud in 2018 (which he fucking WON) and 2022 elections; he never came in public and said "Hey guys, could you please stop blocking roads, stop making protests all over Brazil and stop asking for a coup in front of the army barracks?".

After he lost, he simply vanished for almost a month, and neither the Federal Police nor the army under his command did something to stop the protests. In fact, an army general came in public and said to Bolsonaro supporters: "Don't lose faith" - even though they were causing chaos all over the country.

At last, we had Jan 8, which is equivalent to USA's Capitol riot. Bolsonaro supporters invaded the congress, the presidential palace and the supreme court, and trashed the places (fortunately, no one was working there this day). All of these things wouldn't happen if Bolsonaro came in public and accepted his defeat.

[–] lorty@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 10 months ago (2 children)

That's, not what happened. We didn't get our crappier version of the capitol invasion because he admitted defeat

[–] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

then they got thrown into lulags

[–] nohaybanda@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago

tfw no :lulag:

[–] Kirbywithwhip1987@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Didn’t he run off to Florida or something when he lost?

[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago

He did, but he got "sick" and went to a hospital. Then he saw the medical bill, then he got healthy again really fast after that, and his visa expired so he had to return to Brazil. And some weeks later he lost his political rights until 2030 (He lost it two times, now he can't run in 2030, which means his rights will only return in 2034).

[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 10 points 10 months ago

No, Bolsonaro refused to accept defeat, he tried everything to reverse the election results. Until the Army, the Air Force and the neoliberal Ghouls told him to accept defeat. Even so, he still tried to stage a coup in the government on January 8th.

And unlike in the US, there was an actual document that the military wanted Lula to sign in order to order the army to take over the government. It's a bit like the one they made Pedro Castillo sign, but it's not the same thing.

Lula decided not to sign and chose to use his powers as president to intervene in state security and order the police to repress and arrest the Bolsonaro supporters. And so they ended up being arrested, forced to shower and vaxxed.

[–] kot@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago

No he didn't, he said the election was stolen and then his followers turned into doomsday cultists, camping outside national congress and military bases (while begging the military to "do something", as in, install Bolsonaro as a dictator), as well as blocking roads. Eventually he fucked off to the US because he didn't want to hand over his post to Lula in person and because he was scared that he was going to be arrested for attempting a coup.

[–] mamotromico@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago

No he didn’t what are you talking about, it took months for someone close to him to actually talk as if he wasn’t the president anymore, and he still avoided such topics to almost a year

[–] KlargDeThaym@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 10 months ago

They believe that the good guys always win, and they also believe themselves to always be the good guys. Hence the mental gymnastics.

[–] DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 63 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In a few years we will see Finland vs USSR levels of copium saying Ukraine actually won while losing nearly a quarter of its territory

[–] Utter_Karate@hexbear.net 52 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In fact, considering how much control over their national resources and economic policy they are going to give up to then IMF, Ukranie doesn't need any of its territory to win.

[–] supersolid_snake@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 10 months ago

As a consolation prize they will get some ivy league expat that hasn't seen Ukraine in decades to be charge of the IMF programs there, you know, just for a local touch.

[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 52 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Here's how Ukraine can still win

[–] GaryLeChat@lemmygrad.ml 47 points 11 months ago (2 children)

"You don't need to reclaim your territory to declare victory" Giving flashbacks of NATO in Afghanistan, "mission success, victory"

[–] Idliketothinkimsmart@lemmygrad.ml 48 points 11 months ago

Maximum Ukopium 🤣🤣

[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 44 points 11 months ago

NYT in 2030: Here's how Ukraine can still win

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 43 points 11 months ago

“Arrakis teaches the attitude of the knife - chopping off what's incomplete and saying: 'Now, it's complete because it's ended here.'

  • from "Collected Sayings of Muad'Dib'' by the Princess Irulan”
[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 41 points 11 months ago

Lol, laying the groundwork to say it's putins fault that we're cutting off aid

[–] luchuan@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 11 months ago

We've come 4/5 of the circle jajajajajaja

[–] the_kid@hexbear.net 33 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] ButtigiegMineralMap@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 11 months ago

It’s volovermyr

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 29 points 10 months ago

the war situation has developed not necessarily to ~~Japan~~Ukraine's advantage

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 25 points 11 months ago

That is the most pathetic example of "why won't Russia admit they're losing??" I have ever seen.

[–] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 24 points 10 months ago

Mission accomplished.

[–] supersolid_snake@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 11 months ago

"It's all for you Damien (America), it's all for you"

[–] deathtoreddit@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 11 months ago

And back to Square One, we go... just, wow...

[–] JoeDaRedTrooperYT@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 11 months ago

RIP Yoghurt Nazis

[–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 10 months ago

nice to see we predicted everything correctly lol