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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 42 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Quick summary: Muhammad married his wife Aisha when she was 6 and consummated the marriage when she was 9.

[–] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I'm always interested in how religious texts are explained away.

Like with abortion, the Bible clearly states that life begins at the first breath. It's actually a bit extreme in that causing a miscarriage is explicitly a loss of property and NOT murder. And everyone knows about how they give guidance for am abortion in case of infidelity.

But it's always explained that the Bible uses some vague identifier for an unborn, and the rest is just kind of ignored.

So, what's the explanation for the pedophilia in the Quran? Just different times? She wasn't actually that young? They didn't actually have sex? Or just how "dare you ask about that"?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Just different times? She wasn’t actually that young?

Yes and yes depending on who you ask.

They didn’t actually have sex?

No, they had kids.

Or just how “dare you ask about that”?

Definitely.

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

A lot of times people who grow up with a given religious culture don't realize how fucked up it actually is.

Like, let's be real - the belief that a 12 year old girl gets knocked up by her unborn child's alter ego as God in order for that child to get tortured and killed in order to appease his own blood lust in place of your ass is whack as shit.

Even at the time there's a record of Romans being weirded out by the tradition of the Eucharist and the notion of eating the body and drinking the blood of an incarnated god.

Being raised or indoctrinated into a thing goes a long way towards normalization.

[–] CassavaKing@lemmy.ml 22 points 10 months ago

Well, he's not wrong. Even their own early Islamic sources say this 🤷🏼‍♂️

[–] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago

Later, Mehta apologized for calling fire hot and ice cold.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Religion is fucked. People causing acts of violence over religion is fucked. All religion should be shamed out of existence, but that's not going to happen.

[–] Nomad@infosec.pub 5 points 10 months ago

Not with that attitude.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Mohammed was a pedo

[–] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

This is what happens when people view their texts as infallible. They either bend to the old texts or they pretend that the texts match their personal beliefs.

[–] Yamainwitch@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Kiddie diddling is an abrahamic tradition, because MyStErIoUs ways.

[–] Nomad@infosec.pub -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Well.... christian priests are child diddlers too... so its a religious thing in general.

[–] Yamainwitch@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

The abrahamic religions are any that worship the god of abraham which would be: judaism, christianity and islam. I'm an equal opportunity western religious critic.

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago

Christianity is abrahamic

[–] BlackSkinnedJew@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Pedos gonna pedo..

As far as I can remember there is a "fake" text what says Virgin Marie married Joseph when she was like 12 and got pregnant of Jesus when she was 13.

It is a "fake" text cos the Religion Institution conveniently says so.

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What about his first wife?

[–] Lath@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Rich merchant widow older than him.

[–] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And subsequent marriages were for alliances and such, following traditions of the time?

[–] Lath@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

I could say yes, but honestly I don't remember. Because let's face it, rich first wife and last child bride are kinda hard to beat when it comes to being memorable.

I will say instead that his daughters were given to allies and such of his age, one of whom was a brother-in-law if I recall the relations right.