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[-] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 139 points 5 months ago

If you really want the job, this is a bad idea. The form is there so that HR (who usually knows nothing about the technical details of the posted jobs) can match base requirements against what the hiring manager is looking for. If they get a match, they just forward the resume to the manager. Doing stuff like this on the form is likely going to result in them just moving on without looking at your application further. And it doesn't mean it's a bad place to work; the company and the manager might be great.

[-] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 68 points 5 months ago

Pretty much.

Maybe I'm some rare unicorn. But I have NEVER successfully got a job filling out forms like this. It's a huge waste of my time.

[-] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 31 points 5 months ago

I'm a hiring manager, and every single person hired at my company has to fill out a form like this.

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[-] madcaesar@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago

Places like this probably get 2000 submissions so they are indeed a waste of time.

[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

You aren't. I was just hired for a great position by not filling out their form. Then they emailed me and asked if I wanted to finish. I said "I won't fill out something that is already on my resume". They had a couple of interviews and a substantial offer. I started last week.

It depends on the position. If it's entry level or some retail job, yes, fill it out. But management or some other position where it's highly specific, this is an absolute waste of my time.

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

And they can't do that with a resume? Most things seem to be able to do that automatically these days (fill out forms with info from a resume that is); just the not damned employer.

[-] derf82@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

Because filling out the data places it in identified fields that you can compile into a single table and sort. You’d have to examine each resume individually.

[-] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 10 points 5 months ago

I mean, HR is being paid. They should be going through the resume and compiling the data themselves.

Instead they require the applicants to do it for free, despite the fact the applicants are probably having to do it dozens of times trying to apply for multiple jobs.

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[-] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 14 points 5 months ago

Also, it's hard for a computer to parse a resume, and most of this stuff runs through a computer before a human sees it, so filling a form makes sure the data is correct.

You also don't have to worry about corrupted or unsupported files.

[-] 800XL@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

You're telling me that computers are sophisticated enough to drive cars and create new antibiotics but resumes are just too much? Nah.

If that's the case then don't ask for a resume and only have the form to input job history that can be easily handed over to a manager using a printable template.

It's lazy on HR's part and on the HR software they use.

[-] BangCrash@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

Have you ever seen a standard resume?

They don't exist. Resumes are totally different for every person. Different document format, different layout.

The forms are for filtering. Ones that pass filtering, then the resumes will actually be read.

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[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 101 points 5 months ago

Would actually love to do that. I just have an extreme aversion to knowingly shooting myself in the foot

[-] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 35 points 5 months ago

Me too. The only jobs I apply to are ones I really want (obviously), so doing this just hurts my chances of getting them.

But I absolutely hate this bullshit.

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[-] beebers@lemmy.world 56 points 5 months ago

As a hiring manager, I am absolutely floored how many people do not actually have this information on their resumes. So while most people would assume a lot of redundancies between the form and a resume, I can assure you that many people do not have this information readily available on their resumes.

[-] Rediphile@lemmy.ca 46 points 5 months ago
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[-] JC1@lemmy.ca 38 points 5 months ago

I don't have it on mine. I finished high school (college) 20 years ago. There are way more relevant things to put in my resume than that.

[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 30 points 5 months ago

Why do you even need to know my high-school?

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[-] Coreidan@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago

Sorry to say but you hiring managers don’t know jack shit about hiring people. You have zero clue as to what qualifies an employee. Always asking the wrong questions.

The reason why corporations have a hard time finding talent isn’t because a lack of talent. It’s because the hiring process is a joke. But then you’ll complain that no one wants to work anymore.

The amount of top talent you toss into the bin because you don’t know what questions to is staggering.

Truly abysmal.

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[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 5 months ago

then why ask for both things? just have a checkbox to indicate that the information is in the resumé, and if it isn't then obviously they shouldn't be hired since they either can't read or don't give a shit.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 5 months ago

Why do you need to know where I went to school if I have years of job experience showing that I can do the job? Education seems only to matter if someone is newly graduated and without real-world experience. And high school? Wtf?!

[-] Chocrates@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

Why do you need to build a system to capture this information from people that can't read rather than just rejecting those applications?

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[-] Tier1BuildABear@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

Then why do you need the resume if you just ask for it all again

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[-] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 43 points 5 months ago

We all, deep down, understand the exploitative of the employer/employee relationship. They are setting the tone for the rest of your life doing bullshit work that doesn't matter at all.

[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 42 points 5 months ago

If you ever get through to a person high enough to answer your question of: "why did you ask for my resume?"

...the honest answer is:

"There are two things that look at you, the candidate. For cost cutting reasons, we put your answers you fill in all these blanks into a computer which eliminates you if you don't match our basic criteria. We save money by never actually even knowing your name. If you pass the computer filter, your resume is needed because actual humans look at it. So thats why we ask for both."

[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 31 points 5 months ago

Unfortunately this computer filtering step tends to be highly inaccurate and game-able, but I’m not sure what to propose instead.

[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Unfortunately this computer filtering step tends to be highly inaccurate and game-able, but I’m not sure what to propose instead.

Game-able, as in, entering specific answers (even if they are inaccurate) gets you through the computer and put in front of a human? Working as intended.

Ever since the social contract was broken with employers where they'd give you a job for decades if you stayed there, there's been an ongoing "arms race" of how job applicants can get noticed, and how employers can get usable candidates out of the massive tidal waves of applicants they get. The first step computer filter doesn't have to be perfect, if it even filters out 80% of the candidate that don't meet basic criteria, leaving only 20% for humans to review that is massively better (to employers) than requiring humans to look at all 100% of applicants.

So yes, its game-able to get through the computer filter, but if you still don't match the basic criteria, you'll be eliminated by the human reviewers anyway. The difference is only very small number of candidates will figure out the game-able answers to get through even if they aren't supposed to. This is...until the next round of the arms race where nearly all candidates are getting through. That hasn't happened yet.

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[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 31 points 5 months ago

There's actually an easy technical fix for this. All we would need is a common format for resumes that is machine readable, e.g. an XML schema that defines what fields should be in there. Then you just need a simple tool with a nice UI for inputting the info. So what are the chances of this happening? That's right, exactly zero.

[-] Ballistic_86@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago

I recently endured a job search. Applied to over 400 positions on Indeed alone. I stopped filling out the forms. Probably lost out on some job opportunities, but having to fill this shit out 30 times a day is not worth the effort.

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[-] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago

Once when I was in High School, there was a test that had a fat block of instructions at the top. But buried in those instructions it said "You don't need to write any answers, just write your name and hand the instructor the test, and you will receive 100% credit." It was more a test to see if people would read and follow instructions than it was for knowledge. Needless to say, many people did not get 100% credit.

I can only guess that job applications are like that test in this regard.

[-] Seraph@kbin.social 24 points 5 months ago

My version was the last question of the test. She wanted us to read an entire test and then start answering after we finished reading it.

Lady, was I supposed to read an entire section of the SAT before taking it? That sounds so nutty.

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[-] alienanimals@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Recruiters consistently use bad practices like this and use AI to search for keywords.

Then they get upset when candidates use AI to apply for jobs.

Rules for thee, but not for me!

[-] PurplebeanZ@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago

I'm so glad I was able to establish a career and become well known in an industry before applying for positions was so demoralising and exhausting. I worry about what things will be like in another few years when my children enter the job market.

[-] Smoogs@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

“nO oNe WaNtS tO WoRk AnYmOrE!!”

[-] subtext@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

This is one of the rare spaces where AI could be genuinely useful if it can accurately pull this data out of mass uploaded resumes.

[-] plz1@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago

It's already being used, and already screens out people with the same biases you could expect (name sounds foreign, name is female, etc.).

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