Two layers of electrified, barbed wire, with armed guards to keep a colony secure. Colonialism has never actually ended
Hilarious how the Spanish are pissed about Gibraltar while having the same fucking thing on the exact other side.
Didn’t even think about that
Because they are completely different issues. Melilla and Ceuta have been spanish for 500 years and are normal cities.
Meanwhile Gibraltar is a tax haven, a resort for old brits and a tool used by Great Britain to dominate the Mediterranean sea.
I’ve been there. It’s disgusting. Spain is gross for this shit.
I've read your comments about it and you clearly haven't. Otherwise you wouldn't be calling one of the poorest regions of Spain "priviledged".
Imagine defending first world countries over third world countries and thinking you are a leftist. You are the worst of white trash.
Oh cool. Go defend Boko Haram and ISIS and leave me alone.
It’s privileged compared to Africa dumbass
Africa. That monolith.
Yes, the Africa that Ceuta and Melilla are a part of, despite being governed by a European government. You are so deeply propagandized, you cannot see the similarities between the enclaves and Israeli settlements.
If your sole reason is "map look nice" you can fuckk off. You have not given a single reason for it. Imagine ignoring the will of the people of Ceuta and Melilla. Fuck off with your white saviour complex.
You live in an armed compound
No, i don't?¿?
Why is the will of the people of Melilla above the will of the people in Morocco for you? hmmmmmm
Cool, go and find me who in Morocco wants Melilla back. Why do you assume their views, fucking white saviour?
You can see pictures of them climbing on walls. Also I'm not white like your trash country.
wtf
What possible benefit is there to Spain to still hold on to Cueta and Melilla? If you're a leftist they represent vestiges of imperialism and should be given back to Morocco. If you're a reactionary you probably really want Spain to give them back to Morocco because they are major points-of-entry for refugees from Africa. There's probably something material I'm missing here.
A couple of reasons. They provide a partial counterweight to naval control of Gibraltar by the UK, the local population strongly opposes their integration with Morocco. They're major oil ports. Basically they're profitable, so the libs want to keep them.
For reactionaries, they're artifacts of the end of the Reconquista and Morocco has no claim because there was no Morocco, heck, there wasn't even the Ottomans in the area. Cetua's initial conquest (by Portugal, I think) actually predates the conquest of the final Muslim kingdom, and Melilla only post-dates by 5 years, so some revanchist debatelord might call them anti-colonial possessions and be wrong, but at least interestingly wrong.
Also, they have been spanish for like 400 years. Talking about "giving it back" to Morocco is insane. Hell, technicaly they predate Spain since most historians put the creation of the modern kingdom of Spain in the early XVIII century.
So no, this is not a HK or Puerto Rico situation. I guess it's a "bad look" to have a small city in a separate continent but that's just what it is.
The barbed wire should be removed thought. Fuck the government who put it there and all the ones who haven't removed it.
Should they be given if the population wants to stay spanish and Morocco hasn't really said anything about it?
Should Northern Ireland be given back to the Republic if they want to stay British and the Republic hasn't really said anything about it?
I'm spanish, that's why i can talk about Spain. My opinions about Ireland will obviously be lacking and i don't know why the should matter at all.
Let the northern irish decide for themselves.
Northern Ireland has been thoroughly colonized by the British. It was established in such a way that it would be large enough to make the unionists dominant. Letting the northern Irish decide whether to remain British or Irish will lead to them choosing British, because many are the descendants of British colonisers and still benefit from British colonialism today.
So why should a colonising population be allowed to decide which state they belong to? Would it be fair for the American settlers to decide whether the land they conquered was native or American? Why should the colonisers be allowed to decide the fate of the colonised people's country?
As i fucking said. I know about Spain, not NI.
Literally no one outside of this thread (filled with people who have just find out these cities exist) wants Melilla and Ceuta to join Morocco. Not the spanish leftists, not the people from the cities themselves, and not Morocco.
Hell, listen to what the locals say instead of trying to bring anglo politics into everything.
“The locals” aka the people residing in the privileged, heavily fortified zones excluding millions of people? Haha sure. Let’s listen to what the Israeli sellers have to say about Palestine too!
Lmao, priviledged???
Holy shit, you didn't have to prove that you have never heard of those cities. They are among the poorest regions of Spain. DId you think they were like HK or what?
Pathetic, read something before wildly commenting.
Which side of the border is Ceuta and Melilla on? The side people are trying to get in to or get out of????
Cool, then let's remove the wall AS I FUCKING SAID.
Its almost like you are ignoring the will of the people of Morocco who very visibly want to go in there, but citing Morocco's government will as if somehow legitimate.
The same government that hunts down those attempting to jump over those butchery walls with valleys of barbed wire, to keep the economic relationship of their elites with Spain.
Also you aren't a local of Melilla or Morocco, you were just born in one of the most vile colonialist empires this world has ever witnessed, and for unknown reason isn't ashamed of its terrible history. Your opinion on African land obtained during the colonialist period shouldn't be considered.
Whaaaaat.
Did you even read what i said? WTF.
When you cite Morocco, do you mean the people or the government?
What.
and not Morocco
Why do you falsely state that the people of Morocco don't want to go in that area, when they very visibly do?
Holy shit, are you illiterate or something?
great argument. Good to know you oppose the will of the people of Morocco, but stand by what their government does.
You are the template colonizer spanish.
WTF
No, the people of Morocco don't want Melilla, fucking idiot.
Yes
Either explain or fuck off.
What the fuck? Today I learned that Spain holds two cities on the African Mainland. Totally fucked.
Tbh honest I find the whole topic of countries owning little enclaves in other countries to be fascinating. Still evil, but also fascinating. Like you can even see in the map in the post how the UK holds on to a tiny little bit of Spain.
Enclaves makes maps more fun. I especially love that city on the Dutch-Belgiam border where there are like 20 different tiny enclaves because back in the middle ages different feudal lords owned different fields.
They also own the Canaries, islands off the west coast of Africa. Hell, they owned a huge chunk of Morocco for a while too.
colonialism is a fuck
Well, the "huge chunk of Morocco" that they owned is actually what now is referred to as Western Sahara, and Morocco's own claim to it is somewhat dubious since the Sahrawis claim indepence. But it is mostly under Moroccan control now.
Tons of people who have just found out about these cities talking about "giving them back to Morocco".
Holy shit, you can't just "give back" someone that was never their's (while ignoring what the people from those cities say).
Also, first Morocco should recognize the indepent Sahara. A movement that actually does exist and has been fighting for 50 years.
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