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Image is from this article, depicting the Foreign Ministers (or, in China's case, Vice Foreign Minister) of each BRICS country in the middle of their standing lessons.


Thread update: Prigozhin's fucking dead.

rip-bozo


The BRICS summit will begin on Tuesday and end on Thursday, with various world leaders, politicians, and representatives meeting in Johannesburg, South Africa.

America's anxiety about the summit has been obvious. They have been complicating the event by pushing for the arrest warrant for Putin to be upheld if he steps foot in the country. While this is a remarkably dangerous and unhinged thing to do - even by America's standards - to the leader of a nuclear superpower who could end the world within an hour, it does betray their desperation. Unfortunately, for those of us who wanted to see Putin surrounded by an army of security guards fending off people holding handcuffs, he has sent his Foreign Minister, Lavrov, in his place. Additionally, America has likely been spreading rumors about the lack of interest in gaining new members in the organization.

With apparently 20 countries formally seeking membership and another 20 informally doing so, the bloc has been elevated, whether they like it or not, to the position of the international vanguard of the non-western world. It is extremely important to say that this is not the same as it becoming an anti-American bloc, and many of them (including original members Brazil and India) wish to keep a friendly relationship with the United States. Nonetheless, with the United States' policy of "if you are not with us, you are against us," and as the US seeks to weaken China, in coming years many of them might find themselves under hostile pressure.

BRICS has to try and solve many problems if they are going to chip away at America's stranglehold of the world economy. These problems - like mitigating the dollar's status as a global reserve currency, and America's dominant role in the world economy - are extremely complicated, and will takes years, even decades, to be overcome. Therefore, one should temper their expectations and excitement for this summit. It took tens of millions of deaths in cataclysmic wars, and then several more decades, for America to reach its current position. I see no reason to believe why its downfall will be any less bloody and elongated.

To end on a less depressing note, I've been searching for appropriate anagrams given the list of countries that seek to join BRICS. Obviously not all of them will make it in, but even so. The best I've come up with is HIBISCUS EMANCIPATES BBBBKKRVV.

(also, "bulletins and news discussion" can be rearranged to "libidinous newsstands uncles".)


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

This week's first update is here in the comments.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Last week's discussion post.


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[–] kristina@hexbear.net 69 points 1 year ago (7 children)

saw some thread about how ukraine is making huge grounds and liberated a place called Urozhaine. i never heard of it so i tried to find it on a map, but couldnt. so i typed it in google and apparently its a town that consists of two very narrow and short roads and is about 700 feet wide. so like 3-4 football fields

everyone is saying the war is over over 3-4 football fields of land yea propaganda is wild

[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 54 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Someone told me this on Reddit yesterday

It's considered to be strategically important by most experts. They wouldn't have invested so much resources protecting it otherwise

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

this, of course, doesn't apply to Bakhmut, which had zero importance whatsoever and yet the Russians were trying to take it for the better part of a year and Ukraine resisted them anyway

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[–] BrezhnevsEyebrows@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Americans measuring a place: imagine a football field

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

look for 'Levadne' on google maps

this is the kind of thing Ukraine is celebrating when you hear "another three settlements liberated!"

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[–] Sinister@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago

most of the “great Ukrainian victories” are like two apartments blocks and towns equivalent to Goltry, Alfalfa County.

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 68 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

coming through for me one last time

edit: Rogov has confirmed it which is enough for me to switch the megathread title

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[–] GVAGUY3@hexbear.net 65 points 1 year ago (14 children)

My friend went to an Anarchist Bookstore and asked about books on Lenin. She has a way to go

[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 53 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 65 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Due to complications of capitlaism I am losing a child. I get this is an emotion people in the global south have had to get accustomed to. Just god damn though. How do we all just keep going?

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's extremely difficult to respond to this in a way that feels serious enough, I just can't really go without responding to it though. I'm really sorry.

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[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

This item is of little consequence but it speaks to the sorry state of the western left:

The Red-Greens, the farthest left you can get in Danish parliamentary politics, has picked a new political leader as the previous leader is resigning due to term limits and maternity leave. The new leader is Pelle Dragsted and you can say lots of positive things about him, he's well-spoken and clearly intelligent. In his youth he was a communist, he beat up Nazis, got arrested several times and was imprisoned for "vandalizing" a refugee detention center.

But then he grew older and softer and transformed into a "real politician". He is seen as one of the chief architects behind the Red-Greens' rightwards turn towards "being responsible" and "making compromises". This includes turning the traditionally anti-militarist party from opponents of NATO and onto a "there's no alternative to NATO and we're too spineless to hold an unpopular opinion"-line. He is also so cucked that he's publicly regretting his antifascist past

I was angry at capitalism, the police and the Nazis. I also took part in things I today think were stupid. It was an environment on which violence was accepted because you thought it was a kind of self defense against for instance the neo-nazis.

But as I was saying: I see things different today. I still want to change the world and make Denmark a fairer place but only with peaceful and democratic means.

In the press conference today he made the following statement that perfectly encapsulates how opportunism and ideological decay had turned the western left into a bunch of impotent reactionary succdems:

I love Denmark. I love the society and the form of society we have developed for the last century.

The good Vladimir Ilyich would have had him shot.

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[–] sunshine@hexbear.net 61 points 1 year ago (4 children)

anyone else devastated about Lolita/ Tokitae the captive orca whale dying recently? She spent 53 years in a tiny pool in Miami after being stolen from her mother in the PNW at age 4. People were actually trying to persuade her owner to let her come home, even for just one day, because guess what? Her family pod is still seen regularly by researchers, including her own mother... but no. it didn't happen. apparently the park she lived in didn't do anything to protect her from the recent heat domes in Florida either.

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[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 54 points 1 year ago (6 children)

folks, you should NEVER get in a small plane

[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

for those who don't know: a private plane belonging to Prigozhin just crashed in Tver oblast 👁️

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[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 53 points 1 year ago (7 children)

USS Howard sustained ‘soft grounding’ near Bali ahead of port visit

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The Japan-based guided-missile destroyer Howard, whose commanding officer was fired Saturday, suffered a “soft grounding” this month as it pulled into Bali for a scheduled port visit, according to Navy officials.

“On the morning of Aug. 10, USS Howard (DDG 83) experienced an apparent soft grounding shortly before arriving in Bali, Indonesia for a scheduled port visit,” Lt. Luka Bakic, a spokesperson for U.S. 7th Fleet, said in an email to Navy Times. “Upon indication of potential grounding, watch standers took immediate action to protect the crew and the ship.”

“The ship was able to return to normal operations under its own power and propulsion,” Bakic said. “There were no injuries as a result of the mishap.”

The incident is currently under investigation, according to Bakic.

The Navy relieved the destroyer’s commanding officer, Cmdr. Kenji Igawa, from his duties Saturday “due to loss of confidence in his ability to command,” the service said in a statement. It’s unclear if the grounding and Igawa’s ouster are connected.

Cmdr. Igawa will be administratively reassigned to the staff of Commander, U.S. 7th Fleet,” the Navy said in a statement Sunday.

Former commanding officer of the guided-missile cruiser Robert Smalls and guided-missile destroyer John McCain, Capt. Edward Angelinas, is filling in as commanding officer until a permanent replacement is identified for the Howard.

Angelinas assumed command of the McCain in October 2017, after the ship’s commanding officer and executive officer were fired following the vessel’s fatal collision in August. The mishap killed 10 sailors.

This is the fleet China is supposed to be afraid of data-laughing

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[–] GVAGUY3@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Teamsters just ratified their contract with UPS with 86% voting yes

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Good for them, the contract was good. I wanted to see the US stop functioning but I'm happy for them.

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[–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 51 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There are protests levied against Russia because of:ukkkraine: during the BRICS summit and of course it's mostly :lmayo: suburbanites from Sandton.

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 51 points 1 year ago

India's lunar module has successfully landed on the Moon's south pole.

[–] Zrc@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago (2 children)

holy shit did they just shoot down prigo

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[–] super_mario_69@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago (12 children)

🇫🇮 🔥 update! Became quite the effortpost!

The energy crisis: The electricity is fucking ridiculously expensive this week, up to 70 cents/kWh, because the shareholders of the state energy company (Fortum) need new yachts for next summer. That, and because while one nuclear reactor was undergoing rout maintenance (Loviisa unit 2), another one (Olkiluoto unit 2) had some kind of sussy readings and had to be shut down for maintenance as well. There's also some kind of maintenance going on with the power lines connecting our grid to Sweden's, so the capacity is reduced even further. The government recommends The Poors don't use dishwashers, saunas, or ovens during peak hours, or simply live in darkness and bang rocks together until the situation improves. At least we'll freeze to death happy in winter knowing that we stood up for democracy and justice with the wholesome uwukrainians against evil.

The government shitshow: The Finnish government continues to be an absolute dogshit dumpster fire. No new scandals or crises in particular, just the regular clusterfuck. The media are talking about the government shitting the bed completely, with potential reelections down the line, but I find that unlikely. The ruling party and its leader are absolutely spineless enough to work with anyone they can (except the left, naturally) to stay in power. None of the parties in the ruling coalition can agree on anything other than "fuck the poor" and "send every single weapon in the country, from giga-death-missile to slingshot, to Ukraine because fuck the Russians". Due to the extreme levels of red scare anti-russian brainworms here, speaking out against the war would be political suicide, so I imagine Finland will be one of the last countries in Europe to withdraw support. People think Russia is going to come for us next "like they did in WWII", because as we all know the material and geopolitical circumstances are still exactly the same and nothing has changed at all since then. I'll try and ask like "now why the fuck would they do that? We have literally nothing of value here except I guess trees, which I'm pretty sure Russia already has a fuck lot of a lot more of" and always get the same kind of vaguely racist canned lib response or some other vibes-based imaginary fucking drivel. Honestly I think it's mostly some kind of generational trauma coping because their grandmas dad got owned in the winter war. Like my brother in christ, my grandparents lost most of their families to that bullshit as well, but that's kind of what happens when you get into a war. Perhaps we should have considered that possibility when we allied with the fucking Nazis? Remember when national war hero Mannerheim, renowned anti-communist military boy and buddy of Hitler, won the civil war (the Finnish civil war and its consequences...) and had all the reds put into internment camps and/or executed? Pretty sure they were all somebody's sons and daughters and parents and grandparents as well. At least they died fighting for the common good, for whatever that's worth now. These god damn liberals, I s2g. What zero historical materialism does to a mf. Sorry, I got a bit carried away there, but anyway.

Bonus: some state media article picks from this week. Check out what kind levels of cope we're reaching, while risking taking 4d10 psychic damage!

https://yle.fi/a/74-20046194 – Finland considers swastika ban - good, but you'll never guess what other horrible hate symbols they want to ban! This proposal comes from Ben Zyskowicz, who is almost always wrong about everything.

https://yle.fi/a/74-20046173 – Niinistö [the president]: Russian propaganda against Finland increasing - Joining NATO totally owned the russians lmao!!! this will not have any unforeseen consequences in the future.

https://yle.fi/a/74-20046011 – FDF [finnish defense] Commander: No surprise in Russian rhetoric - The burgerländers are coming. this will not have any unforeseen consequences in the future.

More in comments if you want to suffer further ->

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[–] notceps@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Smallish energy grid update. As most people already know relations between the EU and Switzerland are pretty bad and now it seems to crystalize itself in a sort of 'soft sanction'

Short primer on energy relation, swiss companies made quite some profit by basically buying up excess german and french energy production and selling it back to them when they needed it. Because switzerland has one or two mountains and built one or two big pump storage dams. Switzerlands energy grid acts like a battery for a few european nations for the most part germany.

EU has pushed switzerland out of several energy-plattforms, so like SWIFT but with electricity, which starts to threaten that the swiss grid is cut off from the rest of europe. What does this mean? Well overall energy grids would be a lot less secure and some nations would be affected. This means higher energy costs for switzerland for sure and smaller increases for most european countries, germany stands out because they've made use of this the most and are/were dependent on this quite a lot, thankfully german energy prices as well as their energy grid is very secure.

This whole thing is going to suck for people already struggling all over europe and it's mainly done for political brownie points.

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As most people already know relations between the EU and Switzerland are pretty bad and now it seems to crystalize itself in a sort of 'soft sanction'

is this because of them not being as hard on Russia or is this something else?

[–] notceps@hexbear.net 50 points 1 year ago

This is something that has been cooking and stewing in a lot of europeans minds for decades now the Russia thing just put it into overdrive. Switzerland not being part of NATO or the EU is something that has infuriated Europeans for so much time now, the fact that people can vote on pretty much everything is something that a lot of euro politicians hate because it could be a danger to their more bureaucratic/technocratic way of doing things. Media will often point out our right wing frothing chuds which yeah fuck them but they use it to present switzerland as the most right wing place so it ought to be punished, and honestly these days that just seems laughable with France descending into a police state, AfD at 20% in Germany and fascists in Italy.

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[–] ItsPequod@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago (5 children)
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[–] TalkingDuck@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Chad Ranking needs urgent patch notes

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago (4 children)

lukashenko-tired has gotta tell the Wagner forces inside Belarus that Prigozhin has gone to a farm upstate, give him strength

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[–] LargePenis@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

NOOOOOOOO PRIGO I PUT YOU IN GIGACHAD RANKING YESTERDAY PLEASE COME BACK I LOVE YOU WHY COULDN'T GOD TAKE SHOIGU INSTEAD

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[–] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
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[–] WilsonWilson@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Can we have a moment of silence on the news mega?

RF hit Chernigov Drama Theater with an Iskander and word on the street is 11 senior NATO got got i'm cryin rn

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

every fucking time I swear, Ukraine's like "I cannot believe Russia conducted this act of barbarity against unarmed civilians in a non-military building" and then a day later it turns out that it's been a warehouse or converted into a military building for months and populated by NATO officials

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[–] companero@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There is a second plane associated with him, circling around Moscow

second-plane

Edit: https://www.flightradar24.com/EAK5121/31b76798

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[–] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Vijay Prashad on BRICS & Why Global South Cooperation Is Key to Dismantling Unjust World Order

Also Brics+ name suggestions please:

me start : The Triple A Union - (Asia , America Africa)

Edit: "Non- European Union !!!! "

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[–] RaynDanger@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

And to the fading of Western power, the Texas acceleration has been proposed again! https://hexbear.net/post/400827 *tiny edit for spelling

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Prigo dying like in a Gundam show

“Shoiguuu! Gerasmiov!!!!” cockpit explodes

[–] tuga@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
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[–] HarryLime@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's something unpredictable

But in the end, it's right

I hope you had the time of your life

rrrrr

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

whether it was Russia or Ukraine that did it, if Utkin and Prigozhin are dead and it doesn't result in Wagner Mutiny: The Squeakquel, then I see this as an absolute win

(aside from the others who may have been on board, though if they're on Prigozhin's private plane then they're probably also Wagner chuds?)

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[–] Zrc@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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