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[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 54 points 5 months ago (52 children)

But also: the GOP is absolutely a fascist organization.

The existence of other authoritarian regimes doesn't erase the existence of that one either.

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[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago

That's why it's valuable to call it Authoritarianism. It isn't about how money is spent or the social policies put in place - it's how the state responds to disagreement.

Democracies will have a path for public feedback to influence a review of the implementation of the policy. Tyrants impose a set of rules via force and tolerate no feedback.

[–] morphballganon@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago (2 children)

But it is a prerequisite of fascism. It is not a prerequisite of socialism.

After the revolution everything is going to be so cooperative and voluntary and kumbaya, you guys

[–] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

True, it's not a prerequisite. But sadly, in reality, the left tends towards authoritarianism just as readily as the right. Because once you have consolidation of power and resources, whether in private or in government hands, you get corruption.

[–] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Exactly. I've seen it with faaaaaar too many tankies and even populist leftists. Instead of advocating for empirically-driven policy that would measurably improve the world, there's a ton of rhetoric about how we just need to punish capitalists/fascists/landlords/neolibs/billionaires/etc. harder to fix the world's problems.

At this point, I think it's just a deep-rooted flaw of the human psyche that we're just inclined towards trying to force our solutions through by punishing those who oppose us, rather than trying to deeply understand the dynamics at play and changing the underlying structure to incentivize the outcomes we want.

And if we fail to address the tendency towards knee-jerk, brute-force, authoritarian "solutions" to problems within our own ranks, we'll meet the same fate as every other revolution-turned-brutal-dictatorship.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Isn't the whole purpose of a state to have a monopoly on violence? Order is established when noncompliance results in pain, imprisonment, or death.

[–] positiveWHAT@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Yes, but suppressive suggests using it on a higher level.

[–] kozy138@lemm.ee 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

One person's definition of order != Order

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Order in the sense of self-preservation (on the part of the state). The ideological state apparatus reproduces its power through institutions like schools and police, which enforce a degree of compliance in the population that prevents the state's authority from being too severely circumvented.

The consequences of noncompliance are varied and range from social status to economic pressure to life expectancy, but the highest degree of power that the state wields is the ability to punish or eliminate those determined to be a threat through a monopoly of violence.

[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

No, but they are synonymous with it, married it, had children with it.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's true. ML leans heavily on violent suppression.

[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz -2 points 5 months ago

They fucking love that shit lmao.

Daily calls for nuking half the planet because they're hurt the fascists haven't let them have a turn at the wheel.

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