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I give the side-eye to people who call it "A New Hope" or "Episode IV."

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[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 63 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I really want someone to interview Lucas and when he starts complaining tell him, "Grow up. They are Disney's movies, not yours."

(George said this to fans restoring the original Star Wars without his edits.)

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 53 points 5 months ago (6 children)

What I love is when he starts claiming that this or that change was part of his original vision. Like claiming he always wanted Greedo to shoot first, which is not reflected in any draft of the script before shooting or the shooting script or the memory of the actor who played Greedo.

Dude lies so often he doesn't even think people will check.

[–] the_artic_one@programming.dev 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Maybe he wanted to change it as soon as he saw it in editing but couldn't afford reshoots.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

Maybe, but that's not what he said.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 28 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Wasn't it always called "Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope?"

I never got to see it originally in the 70's due to not being born yet, but I had seen it long before the special edition changes made in the '97 release. It was always something even my dad, who did see the original release, joked about. "Where is episodes 1 through 3?"

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 61 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (9 children)

Nope. It was originally just Star Wars.

George Lucas (who lies all the time) claims he always planned for it to be Episode IV, but that introduction was only added when it was re-released ~~before~~ after The Empire Strikes Back came out... and when people initially saw it, they laughed.

Edit: Got the chronology wrong

[–] zcd@lemmy.ca 32 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The best star wars was when George didn't have total control, the first movie was saved in the editing room

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago (2 children)

He divorced that editor, so she couldn't save his bacon later.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

Well I'll be damned. TIL!

Although even if he did plan it to be "episode IV..." WHY START AT 4?! lol

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Partly because it fit in with the whole idea of being a modern Flash Gordon serial, where you drop in partway through the story. I think it worked pretty well, personally.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Nope. Not until many years later. Hell it was only ONE movie until it took over the world and people could not get enough of it, so everyone and their dog begged Lucas to make more.

Then ya boi’s all “oh it was always going to be a trilogy” yeah yeah okay George. “And it was always meant to have three prequels which would” George, shutup a minute - firstly there’s no such word as prequel, so - anyway.

Look, you mashed up Metropolis and Dune on a whim and got solid gold, why not leave it alone? Money. Right. Of course. Ah well.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

I'd say it's closer to A Princess of Mars than Dune and that Dune also owes a lot to A Princess of Mars.

But the Pellucidar books have that mix of different aliens that instantly grabbed people with Star Wars.

[–] teft@lemmy.world 28 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Han doesn’t shoot first. Han is the only one who shoots. In the original Greedo never fires a shot.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And it works so much better that way. Lucas decided at some point to remove all moral ambiguity from all of his characters and it's nuts.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 months ago

It's not even that Han was being evil. Greedo was straight up telling Han he was going to kill him. It's Han just not being an idiot and thinking "I better wait for this guy that is saying he's going to kill me to take a shot at me because I need to be 100% sure of his intentions."

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 7 points 5 months ago

Based. I hate "Han shot first." Greedo couldn't get a shot off. I grew up on the "face" editions. The box VHS set.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 5 points 5 months ago

You can shoot first and last, so it's technically still correct.

[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago (3 children)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago (2 children)

As far as I'm concerned, that was a scene with a different Jabba, a big Irish guy in a fur coat. But it wasn't in the movie, so it doesn't matter.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago (5 children)

It was better without Jabba, leaves the buildup for later.

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[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Precisely. If Lucas didn't bother to retain that actor/character for ROTJ, then it never happened.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I agree. That said, this fan did a 'fix' of the version with Jabba in a pretty ingenious way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKaJ2GC1C04&t=0s

[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Ok, now that's clever and reasonable. More evidence that Lucas has always needed outside voices and not just "yes men" to reign things in.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

I just read this on Wikipedia about CG Jabba (apparently) being upgraded for a 2004 DVD release from the 1997 "special" edition-

ScreenCrush later reflected that the 2004 version "was an improvement, but only in the way that nausea is an improvement over vomit".

I love it.

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

NEW Holo Jabba FIX | Episode IV A New Hope 4K Edit.

😏

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

Yeah, well... kids today...

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This was such a stupid, stupid scene. Like all the other "humor" scenes he started injecting.

Jabba's way too small. And there's no way in hell he'd let him just stomp on his tail like that. And...sigh.

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

On my Jellyfin server I edited that part out along with most of the bad graphics.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I just got a copy of the Despecialized edition.

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[–] Anti_Iridium@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Too bad they want you to get it from Usenet. I can't really justify paying for that for just one movie.

[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (7 children)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Damn it, it was down most of yesterday too. Thanks, I'll keep trying it.

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[–] zcd@lemmy.ca 23 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The ultra rare laserdisc version is holy grail

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Picard: "Original film reel transfers."

Scotty looks surprised

Picard: "Who do you think gave them to Guinan?"

[–] HuntressHimbo@lemm.ee 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Would be funny if the last panel had George Lucas in the turbolift with a knife

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[–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 11 points 5 months ago (4 children)

And no Jabba in the Hangar either!

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[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 8 points 5 months ago

I believe you are being what RPG circles call a "grognard"

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Brilliant meme btw. Cheers.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Not mine, to be clear. I saw it elsewhere.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)
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[–] fogstormberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 5 months ago

does the computer have access to the original release? or is this thanks to one of the restoration/preservation projects?

[–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Did Lucas actually add to or change anything about the movie for the 1981 re-release with "Episode IV: A New Hope" other than just the title scroll?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The Wikipedia article I linked doesn't say so. I don't think he made any major changes until the Special Editions.

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