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submitted 5 months ago by Blaze@reddthat.com to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

Following the other thread (550 upvotes and 366 comments at the moment: https://lemmy.world/post/16211417), one of the complaints that people had what that some communities only exist on lemmy.ml and don't have alternatives on other instances.

Let's discuss this and see if we can organize together.

I suggest to have one topic per comment so that is is easier to discuss.

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[-] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al 60 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

That said, I would like to say that despite the issues with the ML administration, I feel the centralization of communities on WORLD is a far greater and thus more urgent issue for me.

[-] Blaze@reddthat.com 9 points 5 months ago

I feel the centralization of communities on WORLD is a far greater and thus more urgent issue for me.

Is it? Is there any level of power tripping similar to lemmy.ml?

Also

I suggest to have one topic per comment so that is is easier to discuss.

[-] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al 42 points 5 months ago

It's not about power tripping, it's about philosophy. When I left mainstream social media and decided upon the Fediverse, decentralization was very much at the top of the list. I was happy to be part of a world where one corporation wasn't in control of our lives. I'm just uncomfortable with the way that people are so eager to foster that in world. We shouldn't have to see them misbehave before we apply what we learned from previous mistakes.

[-] Blaze@reddthat.com 11 points 5 months ago

I’m just uncomfortable with the way that people are so eager to foster that in world. We shouldn’t have to see them misbehave before we apply what we learned from previous mistakes.

You're preaching to the choir, but "for now" it's acceptable to me.

We are always able to move communities to other instances should they misbehave, and that's good enough to me.

Could be improved, of course, but not critical.

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[-] Emperor@feddit.uk 8 points 5 months ago

I feel the centralization of communities on WORLD is a far greater and thus more urgent issue for me.

It's definitely a big issue too and why it is a good idea to suggest people start alternatives somewhere other than l.w, as is being done in this discussion.

[-] Blaze@reddthat.com 30 points 5 months ago
[-] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al 5 points 5 months ago

!fdroid@lemdro.id would be perfect! @ijeff@lemdro.id can we make that happen?

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[-] Blaze@reddthat.com 29 points 5 months ago

Linux: !linux@lemmy.ml

!linux@lemmy.world seems quite active, I guess if any people move to it it will become even more active.

!linux@programming.dev could probably be a nice one too if people want to avoid hypercentralization on LW

If you know any other, comment below and we can see which one we decide to select as "the one" to avoid fragmentation.

[-] Blaze@reddthat.com 25 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Privacy: !privacy@lemmy.ml

!privacyguides@lemmy.one is a good one. The instance admin comes and go, but the instance is still up-to-date

Other active options:

[-] otter@lemmy.ca 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I like !privacyguides@lemmy.one because the project is behind it

Whenever friends ask about resources, I always link them to the privacyguides website. I should use their community more as well

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 10 points 5 months ago

!privacy@programming.dev also

[-] Blaze@reddthat.com 6 points 5 months ago

Interesting, doesn't seem that active unfortunately, I guess the privacyguides one takes most of the posts besides the lemmy.ml one

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 7 points 5 months ago

Perhaps it's not as active as I'd assumed. I only semi-recently subscribed so mostly have the initial fetch.

[-] Contort3860@links.hackliberty.org 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)
[-] Blaze@reddthat.com 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Just had a look:

Added lemmy.ca and LW to the top comment

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[-] Blaze@reddthat.com 22 points 5 months ago
[-] aasatru@kbin.earth 11 points 5 months ago

Seems like a community that has it's natural home at programming.dev.

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[-] Blaze@reddthat.com 18 points 5 months ago

Personal finance: !personalfinance@lemmy.ml

There are a few country-based:

Maybe it makes more sense to have country-based communities?

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[-] OpenStars@discuss.online 17 points 5 months ago

Sorry if this is a bit off-topic, but I wanted to say that I see you going to such great efforts to help people all across the entire Fediverse, and to say thank you - we appreciate you!:-)

[-] Blaze@reddthat.com 8 points 5 months ago

Thanks, trying to help!

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[-] Blaze@reddthat.com 17 points 5 months ago

Unixporn

!unixporn@lemmy.ml

!unixporn@lemmy.world is probably the obvious solution

[-] Emperor@feddit.uk 14 points 5 months ago

Yes, I just posted over there that:

So if there’s an issue with lemmy.ml, boycott it - unsubscribe, give the other communities on more agreeable instances your time and they will grow and prosper. If there isn’t a relevant alternative start one.

And this is a key step - identify where there aren't alternatives and start them. It might also be worth compiling a list of the alternatives so people can make the switch.

It's also worth bearing in mind that Lemmy isn't like Reddit in that you could just passively consume content all day. If there's a problem, we all need to roll our sleeves up and pitch in.

Worth also mentioning that !fedigrow@lemm.ee is a good place to discuss topics on how we can help Lemmy grow and thrive.

[-] Fitik@fedia.io 14 points 5 months ago

Librewolf's official community is on ml sadly !librewolf@lemmy.ml

[-] Blaze@reddthat.com 16 points 5 months ago

Might be worth to check with the team if they would mind moving to another instance.

I guess they didn't really check which instance their community was hosted on

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago

Lemmy.ml is the largest FOSS and Privacy instance, so it makes sense.

[-] Blaze@reddthat.com 11 points 5 months ago

Or maybe it was the most popular server when the Librewolf devs decided on an instance for their community.

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[-] Blaze@reddthat.com 11 points 5 months ago
[-] Blaze@reddthat.com 10 points 5 months ago

Simple Living: !simpleliving@lemmy.ml

!eudaimonia@lemmy.dbzer0.com : "A community about happy living. Thoughts and praxis about long-term wellbeing, contentment, and personal fulfillment."

[-] Emperor@feddit.uk 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

!marvelcomics@lemmy.ml

  • sffa.community?
  • literature.cafe?
  • wait for a Marvel instance?
[-] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I think the problem is not so much that "communities don't exist", but that they are far less popular and active than the lemmy.ml ones, and when presented with a choice new users will typically choose the community that is more active and has the most subs. You can't simply solve that by creating another community on another instance. A concerted effort would be needed to get people to move and to get them to pick the alternative community over the lemmy.ml one. Raising awareness and defederation by bigger instances (like lemmy.world) would help immensely.

For me the big ones are !linux@lemmy.ml and !programmerhumor@lemmy.ml btw, which do exist elsewhere but the alternatives are stale.

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[-] WolfLink@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago

I’m on .ml and have been considering making an account on another instance, but it seems like most major instances require an email. .ml did not require an email.

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