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[–] GlueBear@hexbear.net 76 points 4 months ago (6 children)

I'm not gonna lie: this whole thing is fucked when you think deeper about it.

The identity of the shooter doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. Redmaga and bluemaga are each going to construct their own narrative and conspiracies about this event. Neither side will allow themselves to consider even a smidge of the opposing narrative. This is how deep the divide in this country is.

What is known for certain is that this will galvanize the right in the US and lead to more rightwing stochastic terrorism in the long run. Trump will win this election. If he doesn't then several major riots might start across major US cities. Whoever is in charge of this news is going to make sure the least amount of information about that guy's identity is available to the public.

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 32 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

This. Before Trump's ear stopped bleeding the republicans were already convinced it was a trans antfia supersoldier ridin' with Biden. We even saw it last night with the liberals saying it was a false flag.

[–] Swoosegoose@hexbear.net 37 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Don't these people know a trans antifa supersoldier wouldn't have missed

[–] Xx_Aru_xX@hexbear.net 26 points 4 months ago

Yeah, I wouldn't have missed

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 22 points 4 months ago

it was a trans antfia supersoldier ridin' with Biden.

Also Chinese because we gotta shove in some Asian hate

[–] TemutheeChallahmet@hexbear.net 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The thing is when we fret about riots we always picture riots of the past when overall populations were lower, countries didn't have too many deeply interlocked financial interests, and technology was less sophisticated. In a developed country of 300 million people to keep stable with an exceptionally high tech military, any major attempts at rioting will still end up a comparative whimper that soon gets either subdued by institutional forces focused on maintaining predictable markets above all, or have their rage diverted by content made by self-interested private org grifters.

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 23 points 4 months ago (2 children)

idk this is good news for team it was staged

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[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Trump will win this election. If he doesn't then several major riots might start across major US cities.

It won’t. Bourgeoisie interests dictate the will of the country. They’ll sacrifice their profits for an old sweaty guy for a little, but anything that eats into it for a long time will result in a crackdown.

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[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 56 points 4 months ago (2 children)

This doesn't matter tbh, he's been galvanised and the base believes it was communists or something

[–] TemutheeChallahmet@hexbear.net 87 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

The smart thing Democrats won't do now is only ever mention that the shooter was a Republican in unison on every media appearance and have their framing be that Trump's rhetoric is so dangerous it's even hurting him. Dems are too scared of doing things like this that actually work and would force the GOP to exhaust their resources trying to counter message on an issue unrelated to actual governing.

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 56 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Biden has already pulled his ads temporarily, and all the dems that had spent the past 8 years warning that Trump would be the second coming of Hitler who would hang minorities from lampposts are now wishing him a speedy recovery.

When the next debate starts Biden will probably kneel before him and beg for forgiveness for being too mean to him and inciting violence or whatever.

[–] TemutheeChallahmet@hexbear.net 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yep, it's old people and people who live in a sheltered world where politics is eternally nice and civil, all the way down. They may consciously be aware Trump is a unique threat, but are fixedly averse to straying from the rulebook of playing nice.

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

He was a registered Republican but he made a $15 donation to Turnout PAC via Act Blue. Ixve seen a lot of articles ig irr he was a registered Republican and focus on the massive $15 windfall he did to turnoutpac.

That said what is not said ANYWHERE is once you've given a single penny ANYWHERE that's DNC Actblue connected - you get non stop text spams fear mongering how much of an existential threat Trump is to the existence of reality. What that does to an impressionable young doomer man looking down a future knowing his life is going to be worse off in nearly every metric while constantly harassing them.

Litterally writing into law that these doom and stochastic terror moneybeg spams can not be blocked and exempt from the Do Not Call lists.

[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The donation was on Biden's inauguration day, and also came from a different zip code than the shooter. Even if it wasn't a different guy with the same name, I think the speculation that it was a lost bet is a pretty good guess. He registered as a Republican less than a year later, and who donates on inauguration day?

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 19 points 4 months ago

Yup, instead the Republicans will accuse Democrats of promoting violence by fear mongering about Trump and Project 2025. Democrats will of course do nothing to fight those accusations and instead just meekly agree to stop talking about fascism.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 4 months ago

Wait but i was told by libs on lemmy that we communists love Trump because we dunk on Biden.

[–] lemmyseizethemeans@lemmygrad.ml 49 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I have a feeling the fun is just about to begin and by fun of course I mean the terror

[–] HexBeara@hexbear.net 40 points 4 months ago

We have no excuses? Uhhh 😅😂😭

[–] forgotmylastusername@lemmy.ml 47 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Fucking noob Rebublican can't aim.

[–] MelaniaTrump@hexbear.net 25 points 4 months ago
[–] homhom9000@hexbear.net 46 points 4 months ago

Right wing in fighting starting up would be so funny

[–] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 33 points 4 months ago

We're so back screm-cool

[–] Cincinnatus@reddthat.com 30 points 4 months ago (3 children)

A republican? But donates to Democrats?

[–] the_itsb@hexbear.net 60 points 4 months ago (3 children)

By my math, if he's 20 now, that would have made him 17 in June 2021 when he donated, which is also too young to vote. He would have had to register as a Republican after that donation, and records show he voted in 2022.

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 68 points 4 months ago (3 children)

what if he was the famed radical centrist i keep hearing about

[–] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 42 points 4 months ago

Might be. A liberal adventurist scared of Project 2025.

[–] the_itsb@hexbear.net 25 points 4 months ago

emphasis on radical?

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[–] Cincinnatus@reddthat.com 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

2022? So he's never voted in a presidential election? Something seems fishy about this whole thing now

[–] the_itsb@hexbear.net 49 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

So he's never voted in a presidential election?

If he was 20 as of July 13, 2024, then he would have been 16 on July 13, 2020, and in no way eligible to vote in the 2020 election

Something seems fishy about this whole thing now

the motivations of 20-year-olds can be mysterious even to the 20-year-olds

Idk, we will probably learn more soon; it's rare for a 20-y-o American to have no digital trail, so there's more information out there.

Maybe he wanted to impress Jodie Foster!

[–] macabrett@lemmy.ml 27 points 4 months ago

my money's on him being a terminally online kid from 4chan who is obsessed with pedophiles and keeps seeing the epstein stuff

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[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The conservative narrative I've seen now is that he was such a committed liberal that he registered Republican to sabotage their primaries from within.

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[–] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 38 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (18 children)

What many of these dumb mainstream outlets leave out is that he donated to Democrats BEFORE he changed his party affiliation to Republican, and then voted Republican. Of course, conservatives will completely ignore that last bit because it suits their narrative, and outlets like NBC only help strengthen it.

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[–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 24 points 4 months ago

Donated on inauguration day so he 100% lost a bet and had to donate.

[–] HelluvaBottomCarter@hexbear.net 29 points 4 months ago

Damn he was a Lincoln Project Neocon and not a Russiagate Neolib.

[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 26 points 4 months ago

He failed his personal Lincoln Project though.

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 25 points 4 months ago

At least reddit didn't try to sleuth this one out. I imagine the hog sty is in a real tizzy right now

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)
[–] SerLava@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago

We're so back

[–] WhyEssEff@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago
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