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There's some guy I talk to who believes the theory that the top 20 percent of dudes get 80% of women, and that because he doesn't have a brad pitt jaw and isn't 6' +, he might as well just hate women because they'll never like him anyways.

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[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 29 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I studied CS so I used to know quite a few. The ones I hung out with though were only incels in the literal sense. They couldn't get any because they were way too shy to flirt/ask women out, too socially awkward, put almost 0 effort into their looks, etc. but they were very nice people and respected women

I actually know quite a few incels (in the more common sense) now in my workplace/mutual friends (all tech bros, ofc) but I don't talk to them + they actually all have GFs/wives because they're rich/their partners are just as offputting as them

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 21 points 3 months ago (1 children)

i don't want to self-harm with the apps, and i'm unemployed. haven't talked to anyone in years, is that voluntary or involuntary?

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

doesn't really feel like i'm exercising any agency

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[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 20 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Depending on how you define it, me. I've never felt good enough to be in a relationship and I've deeply internalized the idea of 'don't bother them if they wanted to talk to you they would'

[–] FearsomeJoeandmac@hexbear.net 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

I'll let you in on something you may or may not be aware of.

Fwiw in the US and other western societies, men are generally expected to make the first move. So don't sell yourself short. Especially if you've caught them checking you out or staring at you.

Go up and say hi, introduce yourself and feel things out.

You won't know if they want to talk to you if you never try man

Edit:Man is expected not the woman

[–] bigboopballs@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Go up and say hi, introduce yourself and feel things out.

I am 100% guaranteed to humiliate myself if I do this.

[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)
[–] bigboopballs@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago (3 children)
[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Yea, but you'll never leave square 1 if you don't go up at all

[–] bigboopballs@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I also won't leave square 1 if I tried, so...

[–] LesbianLiberty@hexbear.net 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah you will, as someone who's been both a man and a woman, I can tell you that you definitely will. We aren't some foreign creatures, we're people just like you. Dial back that anxiety, keep the ability to take a hint, and you'll do fine. To cringe is to grow!

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[–] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

if you're really a leftist, you'd have to be somewhat compassionate, generous, empathetic, and understanding. That makes you a better partner than a lot of people out there.

Being into politics also shows a level of intrigue in the world that a lot people really just don't have, and it makes for good conversation and an interesting personality (to those who are also politically inclined).

That matters a lot. When you're younger, you fuck people because they're hot. Quite often the personality isn't quite there. As you get older, you realise that it's just not worth the boring hours of conversation for sex where theres no chemistry (because youre not truly comfortable with each other). If you've got banter and things in common with someone that you're passionate about, sex and relationships can feel like they're just destiny. It just happens, and it feels right, because you're genuinely connected and enjoying someone's company.

I mean seriously, a sizeable number of guys still expect women to cook them a meal and wash up afterwards every day.

Anyway if you've got a stern or disinterested look about you (which you will have, if you're clocked out), no one will come up to you. Like, I'm an attractive guy, I put a fair bit of effort into how I look, but if I go to a party I don't want to be at I'll stand there with a stern face wishing I was somewhere else. No one will really come talk to me. If I'm smiling, dancing, or even just being chatty with people, I'll get hit on a lot. It makes a world of difference.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

That matters a lot. When you're younger, you fuck people because they're hot. Quite often the personality isn't quite there. As you get older, you realise that it's just not worth the boring hours of conversation for sex where theres no chemistry

I keep hearing from people that “it gets better when you’re older.” But i don’t have the patience to wait 10-20 years for it to “get better” lol. I rather mindlessly fuck hot people than to not do it.

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[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Being autistic, I feel this so hard.

CW: AbleismFor all of my life, society - including many "left" spaces - has drilled into my head that I am repulsive, I am undesirable, I am an inferior class of human being whose very existence is an imposition on those around me.

It is, to put it lightly, not a recipe for confidence in approaching women.

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It seems like how an autistic person is perceived depends on their looks. Attractive and autistic makes people see you as charmingly quirky. Average or unattractive and autistic makes people see you as creepy and undesirable

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[–] kristina@hexbear.net 17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I know a femcel trans woman that I'm slowly coaxing out of deeply unserious ideology over time

[–] FearsomeJoeandmac@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Kristina. I always like the anecdotes you have.

You've been doing this trans leftist thing for awhile and I appreciate your insight on shit.

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 21 points 3 months ago (1 children)

smuglord yeah i know i'm pretty amazing

[–] FearsomeJoeandmac@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago

You're good people for sure. Have a nice today miss.

[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What is your method for coaxing?

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Talking to her more regularly than anyone else and caring more than anyone else

I've gotten her into being an extremely brainwormed anarcho centrist so far, she started out way worse

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I've had boys in my class go this way before. I hate to sound like I'm bragging, but it's not hard to push it out of them if they're under 19 and you have enough time with them. The boys who grow into super reactionaries never take a class with me.

[–] FearsomeJoeandmac@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

How do I do that direct action thing with you where you were dressed in that ape suit and screaming weird sounds at the wall?

[–] the_itsb@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

data-laughing

I have no idea what this is referencing, and I just want you to know I am sitting here actually laughing out loud at this mental picture, wtf 😂

[–] FearsomeJoeandmac@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Oh whatsup pal? Glad I could make someone laugh. That's the best part about this site is the laughs.

Either way comrade butt_bidet admitted this was him @ 3:50 in this video.

https://youtu.be/VDpqjaGpPm8?si=xSmyYR5ZPf5Uf-Xw

(It's a joke mods, I'm not doxxing anyone)

When I asked him why he did it, he said it was direct action.

[–] the_itsb@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

😂 fighting over a stick and running off into the woods to get the goods

[–] FearsomeJoeandmac@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago

I just remember watching that scene as a kid in the 90s and thinking it was weird as shit lol

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago

@mods, I'm being doxxed, I'm afraid to eat my Cocoa Puffs, please send OP to prison

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[–] I_CAST_BEAM_OF_BATS_I_CAST_BOLT_OF_BATS@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I rarely play multiplayer games so I don't know how I would meet them

[–] FearsomeJoeandmac@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago

The guy I met was in treatment with me

[–] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I know one that went from having a relatively normal love life to incel because he became a homophobic Catholic in the middle of the George Pell scandal.

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago

That feels like multiple bad choices

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago

Yeah a few and they’re very annoying to be around

[–] LanyrdSkynrd@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Is the 80/20 thing really false? I don't know anything personally, but anecdotally it seems true from talking to men who use the apps to date. Some guys get as many dates as they want, and others basically get none.

I don't think it's about being 6ft or having chadface or whatever, it's about mastering the stupid gameification of romance(and paying for premium subscriptions).

I'm happy to be wrong about this, though.

[–] kivork@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It's absolutely false. Go outside and look at couples walking around or in restaurants. Our perceptions of actual romance are so skewed. Most people are just kindof normal looking. In reality its like the top 90 percent of men get 90 percent of women

For women on dating apps there is a huge amount of risk to their safety tied to any match. So if the vibes aren't immaculate or the vibes are good but the person is just pretty cute then it might not be worth the risk.

For men seeking women there is a question of whether the match will be a disspointment or a waste of money. But for women it's am I going to die. So of course only a tiny percent of men on effectively anonymous dating apps pass the vibes and initial attraction tests to be worth that risk.

[–] Anxious_Anarchist@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago

I didn't really know him personally, but while I was doing a social worker program in college this guy started going on an incel rant in class.

The class was about internalized oppression and we were in the unit on internalized misogyny, and he just started going off about how women don't actually want nice guys and how they want the hot rich guys who are abusive.

He had a lot of other really problematic views, my friends and I still wonder why he joined the program to begin with.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago

Knew a guy who had a dry spell and blamed it on college marxism. He went on like 7 back to back failed dates and didnt reflect on his shitty personality.

[–] Anvil_Lavigne@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago

there's one i used to talk to. idk, guess i figured i might be able to help him out of it, but the ideology had seeped into his every cell; it was impossible to have a reasonable conversation with him at all. it was all so horribly naked, too, like he really wanted to be the absolute most vile of the bunch.

i think about him, sometimes.

in retrospect, the fact that i tried to talk to him prolly has more than a little to do with where i am today.

[–] Midnight_Pearl@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

maybe i'm just incredibly unlucky but it's starting to seem like almost every guy is on some MRA shit to some degree

it's so fucking exhausting

[–] FearsomeJoeandmac@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago

There's literally a couple soft ones in this thread unfortunately. "Women only like brick jaw chads"

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