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submitted 1 month ago by mox@lemmy.sdf.org to c/news@lemmy.world

Coming from a district court, I think this ruling could be appealed, but it's welcome news nevertheless.

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[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 96 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's still an excellent idea to power off your phone whenever you are in the vicinity of a border guard and never voluntarily unlock it anywhere close to the border. You can't (generally) be compelled to unlock your phone but you absolutely can have an unlocked phone grabbed out of your hands by a border guard with no legal right to lock it.

[-] leds@feddit.dk 51 points 1 month ago

never voluntarily unlock it anywhere close to the border.

Isn't that defined as 100 mile from the border (including international airports)

[-] doingthestuff@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago

I believe it's 100 miles from the border including coastlines but does not include a 100 mile radius around international airports. I don't remember the source but Ive seen a map that represented it that way.

Also worth noting, this ruling only benefits citizens in that specific district, as other districts aren't bound by its rulings. Personally I'd recommend having a 2nd device you can use to record your interactions because if they violate your rights your chances of getting their body cam video of it aren't great.

[-] skeezix@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

What if you’re 99 miles and 5279 feet from the border while being questioned? Can you take one more step and be safe?

And are those statute miles or nautical miles?

[-] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 8 points 1 month ago

They'll probably claim "hot pursuit" as a justification for arresting you.

[-] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Evading arrest is likely the charge, however I'm being pedantic.

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[-] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

It would depend on where they initiated contact. For instance, let’s say a cop from City A pulls someone over on the boundary with City B. Even if you pull over on City B’s side, it’s still a valid stop because they initiated it (turned their lights on) while still within their own legal jurisdiction. Even though you’re outside of their jurisdiction at the moment, what matters is that they first initiated contact when it was legal to do so.

[-] skeezix@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Not according to Dukes of Hazzard logic.

[-] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

100 miles from the border or coastline is like 90% of the population of the country. And I assume that’s a feature, not a bug.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 9 points 1 month ago

To add, the Great Lakes count as coastline because you can navigate to an international boarder from any of them. That's how you cover the vast majority of the US population with this loophole.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

Not because nearly every major population center is next to a coast?

[-] frezik@midwest.social 3 points 1 month ago

You get a lot of the population by that alone. You get 90% by including the Great Lakes.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

So I should be glad I'm in Indiana for once?

I'll take it.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 11 points 1 month ago
[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

I’m not in that quarter thankfully. Look, let me take my wins when I can. I’m in Indiana.

[-] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 month ago

I’m in Indiana.

Hey, at least you’re not in Ohio.

[-] doingthestuff@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I'd rather be in Ohio than Indiana. They're both terrible but in slightly different ways. I always cringe a little when I go into Indiana but I have been to some great concerts around Indianapolis.

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 33 points 1 month ago

This is important - power OFF your phone. Your phone is more secure before you unlock it for the first time after booting. Use a strong password as well.

[-] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You can also force your device into Lockdown mode, which does the same thing, without needing to shut it down or restart it. It's easy to do quickly once you know how.

On Android it's enabled by default, you just hold the power button and press Lockdown.

https://www.lifewire.com/use-android-lockdown-mode-6287933

Iphones have a way to disable biometrics as well with a button combo, but its more a side effect of activating Emergency SOS, not a dedicated feature and how you activate it varies depending on your device model.

https://thenextweb.com/news/how-to-quickly-disable-biometrics-iphone

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Lockdown mode is NOT the same. This disables biometrics, notifications, etc. But what FULLY rebooting does is protect against more sophisticated attacks like those of Cellebrite which is a company that sells devices to law enforcement that break into phones. I know border crossings often have access to a device of this type.

Your device is encrypted pretty strongly, and before you put in your password for the first time after boot your data is essentially useless. But after that first time your device keeps the decryption key in memory so that it can be useful even while locked, serving you app notifications and processing in the background. This leaves your device open to many more exploits that could get around your lockscreen and into your unencrypted data. Leaked documents show that Cellebrite can very often get into devices after first unlock, but in the "before first unlock" state they can often only use brute force which you can protect against by having a cryptographically secure password.

Looking at lockdown mode it's pretty clear that it isn't resetting to the more secure "before first unlock" state because it unlocks instantly with your password whereas after first boot there's a small pause.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago

I don't think the lockdown mode is the same. It looks like it just disables biometric unlocking. I just tried, and it was far too quick to unlock, so it must keep the encrypted partition unlocked.

[-] MediaSensationalism@lemmy.world 53 points 1 month ago

They tried to search my laptop when they went through my car at the border, and were greeted with an encrypted boot screen. They tried to interrogate me twice. Glad to know nobody else will have to deal with that now.

"So, you're a tech guy, huh? I bet you're smart." 😐 ...

"Are you into politics? Who'd you vote for?" 🫤 ...

"I'm just trying to have a friendly conversation with you." 🤐 ...

[-] RenegadeTwister@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 month ago
  1. Smart enough to not be working border patrol.

  2. Noneya

  3. This is obviously just you flexing what little power you have in your life.

[-] BobGnarley@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

While I agree with you, if you do this they will use violence and intimidation against you.

[-] RenegadeTwister@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago

Of course. But it'd be nice to put these losers in their place.

[-] turmacar@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

I mean every work laptop is (/should be) encrypted. It's about as suspicious as having 2 factor authentication.

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 49 points 1 month ago

Note that this really only affects citizens and lawful permanent residents.

If you're not one of those, they "can't force you" to unlock it, but they CAN deny you entry.

[-] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 36 points 1 month ago

This is huge! Finally this loophole around the 4th amendment is getting fixed.

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[-] nobleshift@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Travel with a burner, wipe it before boarding . If at any time my phone has been removed from my possession, when I arrive back at my home port/airport, I remove the SIM and drop the phone in the garbage.

Laptops I mail the encrypted drive back home and travel with a clean install on a disposable 128/256g drive.

[-] bluemellophone@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago
[-] nobleshift@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Infosec, Financials and Elections. Having good security posture is fashionable.

No bunker, but you can come tour my boat.

[-] bluemellophone@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

“No bunker”

Oh, I understand.

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[-] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I prefer to send electronics to e-waste recycling (or reuse for some task where security doesn't matter) rather than a landfill, but I'm with you in principle: If the authorities get it out of your possession, the hardware is compromised.

[-] nobleshift@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Anything else yes. Possibly a compromised device, I want to go gone bye ASAP and away from me.

[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 month ago

trying to explain to my wife why we should buy a new phone every time we visit her family

[-] this_1_is_mine@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

If you really don't need much room a persistent operating system on a USB stick can be very clutch.

[-] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 6 points 1 month ago

A 512Gb USB is plenty big enough for me to have a travel OS on, with space for extras. Hell, I used to run Puppy Linux on a 64gb USB.

[-] nobleshift@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

My EDC boots Navigatrix.

[-] MediaSensationalism@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Shouldn't you also reinstall the boot loader for the same reason as you'd bin the phone?

Speak of the devil. This article is from two days ago.

https://arstechnica.com/security/2024/07/secure-boot-is-completely-compromised-on-200-models-from-5-big-device-makers/

[-] TheBigBrother@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Who cares I'm not going to that shit hole anyway..

[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago

Hey, parts of the US are decent

[-] MuAraeOracle@real.lemmy.fan 13 points 1 month ago

Definitely, I just like visiting countries that treat their tourists nice.

It's also a hassle to get a new phone for the trip.

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago

Yea, Vermont is basically an honorary part of Quebec!

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 11 points 1 month ago

But you could just go to Quebec and not worry about dealing with the US federal government searching your phone because you're within 100 miles from a border.

[-] Metz@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Not so fun fact: Canadas border is not better (maybe even worse?): https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/travel-voyage/edd-ean-eng.html

just like your luggage, our officers can examine your cell phones, tablets, laptops and any other digital device you are carrying

if the device is password-protected, which will be written down on a piece of paper. You are obligated to provide your password when asked.

Failure to grant access to your personal digital device may result in the detention of that device under section 101 of the Customs Act, or seizure of the device under subsection 140

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

We miss the decent people, but we fear the 1% confluence of poor armed belligerent gqp, as those people are a huge risk.

[-] Eggyhead@lemmings.world 7 points 1 month ago

The news only likes to talk about the shittiest parts.

[-] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Well, if our government can stop Americans from going to other countries to discuss peace talks.

They can also force you and anyone else to hand over your electronics. With multiple men that are armed in the airport, there is nothing you can do until they allow you to get a lawyer, and then that will also not help to keep your rights after the fact. 

[-] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 28 points 1 month ago

Sure, but we shouldn't normalize searching through phones without a warrant, especially for journalists.

It's great that the courts are standing up against CBP here.

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Like the peace Ukraine can make with Russia if they just bend over?

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