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Stuff like "stupid, idiot, moron, dumb," you know the ones. If you’re insulting someone for their shitty garbage beliefs and all you can manage to come up with is ways to insult their intelligence, appearance, or other aspect about them that has nothing to do with their cruelty and shittyness, you should maybe reevaluate.

Just saw a thread on here where a user was stubbornly refusing to adjust their language when another user politely pointed out that it was harmful to our comrades as well, and the person refusing was massively upvoted and the comrade trying to explain why it was harmful was downvoted. Thought we were better than that

I'm not calling anyone out, just wanted to make a post explaining my feelings on it and that when stuff like that happens (not the intelligence based insults, I know its hard to switch, but getting insulted for asking people to avoid them) it hurts and makes me feel less welcome here </3

Using words like “You’re being ignorant” or “That’s a cruel belief” is actually more effective than just going “lmao idiot”.

If those are the words you actually mean to convey I'd say use them instead :)

Edit: if the reception this post got isn't a good proof that this is something this community needs to grapple with, I don't know what is.

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[–] Uther_Pendragon@hexbear.net 1 points 4 years ago (1 children)

This post should be accepted with minimal controversy. Many lefty spaces on reddit that I was in first before I found CTH (Rip) already had rules in place to prevent ableist and other such insults - sure, it seemed a bit weird to me, accustomed to using them daily, but with little effort and some time I almost completely removed them from my vocabulary.

Strive to be better, friends, we're all in this together.

[–] QuillQuote@hexbear.net 1 points 4 years ago* (last edited 4 years ago) (2 children)

Strive to be better, friends, we’re all in this together.

Exactly! Thanks comrade :)

When I first found this community one of the first things I saw was the line “To each according to their need, from each according to their ability.” I cried after seeing that quote and reading the comments of people discussing it. I’m neurodivergent. I have Autism and ADHD, and pretty much until I found this place and leftism in general hated myself and was crushed under my own ableism and brain worms. If I couldn't understand something simple everyone else could it must be because I'm just stupid, if I couldn't do something others could it's because I'm a failure.

So, seeing this was pretty much the first time I felt like I was allowed to exist, that it was okay there were things I sucked at. That it’s not that I am bad, but that the expectations of hellworld are. That I didn’t have to punish myself for this ‘failure.’ It’s one of the most pivotal moments of my short life, without a doubt.

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[–] Helmic@hexbear.net 1 points 4 years ago

I'm really fucking bummed out by the response to this. It really fucking stings when nominally "woke" people who understand why calling things "gay" is bad, but when suddenly your ND ass is the one targeted by language you're expected to just put up with it. People keep saying "I know where you're coming from, but" and then just explain why they really, really don't.

[–] emily@hexbear.net 1 points 4 years ago* (last edited 4 years ago)

I feel like it's worth noting that admitting you're wrong or using ableist language is HARD, but it's part of the growing process. the fact is, at some point in time, I'd be willing to bet that all of us have used ableist language at some point and then learned why it's harmful. I'm thinking in particular about words that were "cool" to use in like, middle school or high school. or, language I used two weeks ago that I didn't know was ableist, and now I do.

There's nothing wrong with making a mistake, especially if you didn't think of it as harmful. Most people don't call someone stupid and think of it as making fun of a disability. They say it to make a point. But I'd suggest everyone reading consider this – we don't know each other in real life. You don't know if someone is struggling with something, and for all you know, whatever word you're using is the same word kids used to make fun of a comrade when they were younger, or even as an adult. Just be mindful and think about the impact your words could have on ANYONE reading your posts/comments. Think of all the slurs you wouldn't dare use and the reason you don't use them. Then think about other words that could have the same effect, but just aren't as accepted necessarily as "slurs" in general society.

Side note, making fun of someone's intelligence also suggests that someone who may have an intellectual disability or even just be neurodivergent and not think the same way you do has opinions of lesser value. While yes, you probably don't mean that with your words, it contributes to a stigma that benefits no one.

TL;DR: think about the person on the receiving end and write what you actually mean to tell them, not the insult you shout when you're mad/frustrated

[–] itsPina@hexbear.net 1 points 4 years ago (6 children)

Shut up, nerd. How's that for an intellgence based insult, four eyes.

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[–] FUCKTHEPAINTUP@hexbear.net 1 points 4 years ago (4 children)

Call them revisionists and liberals and reactionaries and fascists and racists and sexists and ableist, use the fucking language socialism already gave you

You’re not a “radical Communist” when you hurt marginalized comrades, you’re a fashy asshole

guess what? slurs aren’t a hill you have to fucking die on for Communism to be successful, we’ll simply forgive you assholes when you stop using them like everyone else is asking you to

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[–] Frank@hexbear.net 1 points 4 years ago (1 children)

Stop making fun of people who don't have chins, too. Being weird looking doesn't make you a Nazi and if you're going to mock them mock them for being a Nazi.

Like, people are making fun of fat nazis in body armor and shit because... they don't look like the fake media image of hard core ripped Nazi skinheads that the media uses to make being a skinhead seem like a cool bad boy thing.

Of course they don't look like that. They're just Americans, and Americans are fat because we have too much sugar in everything we consume. Being a Nazi doesn't make someone fat and being fat doesn't make someone a Nazi, and mocking them for being fat is just shitty.

[–] Helmic@hexbear.net 1 points 4 years ago

i haven no idea why this post is downvoted so much. like on a basic level i thought we had already moved past body shaming and understood mocking evil people for their bodies makes good people with similar bodies feel like shit.

[–] VolcelPolice@hexbear.net 1 points 4 years ago (1 children)

Chapo last week: haha r slash animemes is getting upset about not being allowed to say tr*p

Chapo this week: what do you mean my words hurt people?

[–] Rejs@hexbear.net 1 points 4 years ago

This is correct and good.

[–] MiraculousMM@hexbear.net 1 points 4 years ago (1 children)

I recognized this a while back and since then I've actively removed those terms from my everyday vocabulary. Even if it seems like a very low-priority issue to some, I recognize that it's considered ableist by marginalized groups, so I want to do better. I don't see why this can't be everyone's response, it's not that hard to use different (and more precise) words.

[–] QuillQuote@hexbear.net 1 points 4 years ago* (last edited 4 years ago)

That's a great way to think about it! Also made me think of how it's similar to switching to they/them as default pronouns, because means I'm much less likely to cause someone harm by accident, and I think that alone makes it worth the effort since there's no downsides.

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