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Mormon church issues new restrictions on transgender members (www.nbcnews.com)

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The new policies include a measure to annotate trans members’ records, grouping them with members who have committed sexual violence or child abuse.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, known widely as the Mormon church, issued a slew of new policies this week expanding its restrictions on transgender members.

The policies, released Monday, include rules barring trans people from working with children, becoming priests and serving as teachers. The church also expanded on an existing rule that barred trans people from being baptized.

Trans members will also face possible annotation on their membership records, grouping them with churchgoers who have committed incest, sexual predatory behavior, sexual violence against children and embezzlement of church funds.

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[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 109 points 3 weeks ago

Did Joseph Smith come back to life and read the restrictions out of a hat? Otherwise it doesn't count

[-] The_v@lemmy.world 54 points 3 weeks ago

Tsk.. tsk... tsk... For clarity JS actually claimed to have:

"Read glowing writings off a stone placed in a hat."

Its much more believable that way...

[-] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 3 weeks ago

Glowing writing? At this time of year, at this time of day, in this part of the country, localized entirely within your hat?

… May I see it?

[-] kspatlas@lemm.ee 7 points 3 weeks ago

...no.

[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 23 points 3 weeks ago

Dum dum dum dum dum

[-] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

LDS is at least upfront about how they change stuff

[-] Hobbes@startrek.website 29 points 3 weeks ago

The leadership get revelations directly from god. In a weird coincidence, many of the revelations (like that black people aren't demons) come at times when societal pressure is overwhelming or they are getting bad press. god apparently has very good timing.

[-] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 weeks ago

One might say its timing is providential.

At this point, the only societal pressure they're under is trying to retain the self-identified Mor[m]ons in the Western US who allow the Mor[m]on church to hold sway over local politics.

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[-] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 65 points 3 weeks ago

Tax free status for churches has been one of the dumbest policies ever, they don't follow the rules on not promoting political parties and candidates and use that privilege to oppress scapegoats.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago

I would even be fine with preserving their tax-free status if they were required to keep open books like other nonprofits. Let the world see exactly what a megachurch spends its money on. They'll find they have a lot fewer new recruits.

[-] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 49 points 3 weeks ago

Grouping them with child predators, so they're part of the clergy now?

[-] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 43 points 3 weeks ago

Sucks to be Mormon.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago

For sooooo many reasons.

[-] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago

The best things to come out of the Mormon church was John Moses Browning and Joshua Graham and Graham is fucking fictional.

[-] finickydesert@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago

TIL Moses was Mormon, I thought he would've been a Baptist

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[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Is that the mummy from New Vegas?

[-] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah

[-] mizuki@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 weeks ago

It really does, and it especially sucks to live in Utah where everyone silently judges you for existing

[-] MagicShel@programming.dev 32 points 3 weeks ago

I don't know if Mormons do posthumous baptism, but put me in a fucking dress before loading me in the furnace or chipper shredder or whatever if it will prevent any of that bullshit.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 21 points 3 weeks ago

They certainly do and unfortunately they don’t need the body. No one is safe.

[-] joyjoy@lemm.ee 4 points 3 weeks ago

So many people did baptisms for both Anne Frank and Adolf Hitler.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

There’s an easier way to not deal with it.

Remember, they need you to believe in a god that is all powerful, all knowing and doesn’t give enough of a shit to not make fuckups like this.

(That. Or maybe it’s all bullshit and their asshole god is made in their image.)

[-] MagicShel@programming.dev 15 points 3 weeks ago

I'm not a believer at all in such superstitions. Technically, I don't care what happens after I die. But I don't want any religion to falsely claim me.

[-] nieminen@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

As an ex-mormon, I feel I should point out that they don't believe they're claiming the dead whom they're baptizing. They're providing an opportunity for the dead person to choose and accept the baptism.

That said, f#*# organized religion. The Mormon church especially.

[-] wjrii@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

I've harped on it at length elsewhere, but even within the illogical realm of theology, baptism for the dead is just childishly literal and stupid, and I can't for the life of me figure out why they cling to it.

[-] nieminen@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

There's a huge pull for Mormons to see their family again, it's one of the ways they manipulate you the hardest. If you're a good mormon, but this other person wasn't, then you'll basically never see them again. (Or meet them, in the case of ancestors). Plus it's a bragging point, I knew people who kept a count of everyone they did this for.

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[-] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago

Sorry, but you have a diminished ability to counter the lies people tell about you when you're dead.

The best we could do is try to create a society, before we die, which refrains from lying. I'm not sure that's easy, considering that many humans rely on ideology to create a sense of purpose, and all ideology strains away from the truth at some point.

[-] MagicShel@programming.dev 4 points 3 weeks ago

you have a diminished ability to counter the lies people tell about you when you're dead.

Fortunately I have this genius plan to be an absolute nobody in the history of the world. It's my greatest defense against posthumous fuckery. But if putting me in a dress will help, I don't care.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

They don't only do posthumous baptism, they do posthumous baptism of non-Mormons to make them into Mormons.

They did a posthumous baptism for Anne Frank. Assholes. I realize that doesn't change anything about anything, but they're still assholes for doing it.

[-] Snowclone@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Anyone can submit names and people often submit names to embarrass the church because they know it will cause problems. Secondly the 'anne frank' that had work done was not the historically famous figure but a different person entirely,

Temple work is ancestor focused worship, it's not about changing anyone's historical factual life, that's not at all a belief in the church, no one thinks that temple work changes ANYTHING about history, that's INSANE and no one thinks that's what's happening with the names you work.

All the names you so work for are supposed to be YOUR ancestors, people do go through and offer to do names people have left available for anyone, but those names are still supposed to be that other persons ancestors, not unrelated people, no one is supposed to be submitting names of any historical figure they arend provably a decendent of, and even then, they should only do so if they have a right to do that work.

A lot of people hate Mormons and like to make up the worst things they can think of to insult or vilify them. I was Mormon for a long time, I left the church because of ACTUAL THINGS the church does that are wrong and bad and against the churches own doctorine, the choices they make about training and policy, the server anti lgbtq hatetred they support and spread. NOT because of made up bullshit no one in the church has ever done or believed.

There's more than enough factual information to criticize, making up bullshit isn't necessary and it's dishonest and stupid.

[-] wjrii@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

BftD is a very weird doctrine that is childishly literal on the one hand, but inefficient to the point of cruelty on the other. There is no real point to it except busy work for grandmas and finding something to use for indoctrinating teens at the temples, and maybe it was an effective lever of control over superstitious members when it was first rolled out. I can guarantee you that any well known person was submitted at least once by "well meaning" members, regardless of the rules when they were doing so.

It's so facially... stupid... that it's extremely disrespectful to cling to it and claim it's any kind of benefit. When I was a kid, they would say that if you died unbaptized you were in some sort of spirit prison, and it was only after some dumb kid who lied about cranking it to the Sears catalog got dunked in an overgrown bathtub that you'd get your hall pass to let you "decide" whether to accept the gospel (which is another bone to pick... what kind of choice is that after you're dead and it turns out the Mormons were right?!).

It's horrendous on its face, but it only gets every so slightly better upon deeper investigation. It's still an arrogant and incoherent but of theology, and the sooner they have a "revelation" that it's unnecessary, the better.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Are you suggesting whoever did the actual proxy baptism of Anne Frank didn’t know who it was they were baptizing or are you suggesting it never happened?

Because it happened. And not just with her.

https://www.businessinsider.com/here-are-10-people-posthumously-baptized-by-mormons-2012-3?amp

Like I said, it doesn’t actually have any effect on anything. It’s just some sick shit.

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[-] this_1_is_mine@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago

Don't you have to want to be baptized.... Like isn't absolution supposed to be a self sought ideal.

[-] FireTower@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, the real impact of this will just be further alienation of trans youths.

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[-] Beetschnapps@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago

Until a lawsuit happens and senior members of the church have a magic moment and change their minds?

[-] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 20 points 3 weeks ago

God famously changed his mind about black folks, why not trans ones?

[-] TrueStoryBob@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

LDS Church in 2079: "Okay, okay, God is trans actually."

[-] Wahots@pawb.social 13 points 3 weeks ago

I hope changes like this make them taxable. I want a fat cut of all that cash they are hoarding.

[-] ulkesh@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Shitty, useless organization does yet more shitty things.

[-] CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

Supremacist fringe cult practices bigotry, film at eleven.

[-] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

It's like they learned nothing with the gay community. All this shit just screams scared old man. Fucking over their nonsense.

[-] hedgehogging_the_bed@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You mean to tell me that it's too much trouble for them to keep track of their own leadership and bishops to remember which have been accused of misbehavior and sexual abuse, but they totally have the time and capacity to keep track of which church members had a sex change and then group them with the empty file of sex abusers to was too troublesome to keep?

[-] Eiri@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

Church of Jesus Christ? More like Church of "Jesus Christ!"

[-] mojo_raisin@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Funny, I've mentally annotated mormons my whole life as likely to commit sexual violence and child abuse.

[-] mizuki@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 weeks ago

The LDS church is straight up is a scam. They are tax exempt, require you pay tithing, and even use their members to clean the church buildings, despite the absurd amounts of wealth they have. And all they do with that money is build temples all over the place, and hoard it.

[-] LordGimp@lemm.ee 4 points 3 weeks ago

So is Brandon Sanderson going to rewrite the king of the reshi isles or what? Lmfao I always laugh whenever someone tells me how inclusive or socially positive any of his writing is. Y'all can clown on JK Rowling no problem but give this guy a pass?

[-] Kayday@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Asking genuinely as someone who hasn't read any of his books; what had B.S. said/written that is socially negative? I know nothing about the guy tbh.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

What did Joseph Smith say about transgender people? Nothing. What did Brigham Young have to say about transgender? Nothing. What does the book of Mormon say about transgender? Nothing.

Must be nice to hide your bigotry behind a religion that does not even back you up your hate in its scripture. Truly pathetic.

[-] HappyTimeHarry@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago

there are trans mormons?

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