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[–] PointAndClique@hexbear.net 56 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Qin Shihuang ~~apocryphaly~~ (sp?) allegedly ordered the mass burning of Confucian texts and live burial of scholars in an effort to solidify ideology and history, combat heterodoxy, introduce 'legalism' as a system of just rule and create a concept of unified China. So he has this reputation as a despot. Memes being memes took this to be that he shot fireballs from his hands to destroy heretics. I don't think there's much more to it than that.

[–] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 39 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

Theres also this alleged mao quote

He buried 460 scholars alive; we have buried forty-six thousand scholars alive... You [intellectuals] revile us for being Qin Shi Huangs. You are wrong. We have surpassed Qin Shi Huang a hundredfold. When you berate us for imitating his despotism, we are happy to agree! Your mistake was that you did not say so enough.

But it sounds fake as fuck

But, I suppose some in the CPC view him as a historically "progressive" figure who overthrew a decentralized feudal society and instituted a authoritarian bureaucratic state, or it might simply but a nationalist thing since he is the first emperor of a unified China

[–] PointAndClique@hexbear.net 31 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I went searching for an attribution for that quote and found nothing, but did turn up this Guardian article which has this quote:

MacGregor has been fascinated to see at close quarters the Chinese beginning to open up to the world. It had initially been hard, he suggested, even to describe the concept of the British Museum to the Chinese, its role as a storehouse of global memory. 'It is,' he told me, 'an alien concept for the Chinese to have a museum that houses the whole world. Their museums only have Chinese objects in them..."

big-honk

HOW DID THE BRITISH MUSEUM GET THOSE ARTIFACTS MACGREGOR. HOW

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago

They liked him because he hated Confucians and brought China out of the Warring States period, which Chinese people see as a parallel to the Warlord era that the CPC brought China out of.

[–] refolde@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago

In the modern day replace scholars with US Journalists and burying them alive starts to sound like a really great idea.

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago

Can we do this with Gamers™

[–] heggs_bayer@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

He buried 460 scholars alive; we have buried forty-six thousand scholars alive... You [intellectuals] revile us for being Qin Shi Huangs. You are wrong. We have surpassed Qin Shi Huang a hundredfold. When you berate us for imitating his despotism, we are happy to agree! Your mistake was that you did not say so enough.

waow-based

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'll allow it if the "scholars" are business/econ majors in the West or jbp

Edit: Read the replies below and happy to know that this is the case — the quote is so much more based with context

[–] PointAndClique@hexbear.net 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I've seen recent efforts to repair the popular image of QSH, similar to efforts to reinstate Caocao's image as a judicious ruler against the Confucian-backed Liu Bei. I'm not enough of a history geek to really understand it but it's interesting nonetheless. Sure others can chime in

[–] blame@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

i dont know the answer to this but one thing i can say for certain is in my expert opinion as an enjoyer of historical cdramas life sucked for most people back in the old days.

[–] PointAndClique@hexbear.net 16 points 2 months ago

dennis "You can't expect to inherit the mandate of heaven just cause you stumbled over some dusty jade seal"

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago

If it's particularly for the purpose of killing Confucianism, I think that's a good thing.

[–] GlueBear@hexbear.net 27 points 2 months ago
[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago

Hehe fireball go brrr

[–] blobjim@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago

His surname literally means "Win" in chinese

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 months ago

To be fair, he literally invented the Chinese word for "emperor" just so he could rename himself to "First Emperor"