Comradeship // Freechat

Always remember Zhou Enlai quote on Khrushchev when he questioned him on coming from a priviledged family while he claimed to come from peasantry.

"True but we share a similarity. Each of us is a class traitor".

Unless you're so performatively poor that you lack the means to meaningfully threaten capitalism whatsoever the liberals will brand you as a hypocrite.

And if you are that poor they'll just giggle and clink wine glasses as your home is crushed by tanks so billionaires can make more magic cars with the minerals under your home.

They use this argument to dismiss anything you say without thinking about it.

I'm quite poor, so I get the other end of this "You're just a communist because you want to leech off of other's hard work."

They're just empty thought-terminating cliches, it doesn't matter who you are, if you're a communist, people will say stupid shit to you in order to dismiss communism without ever thinking about it.

Often the same people who say this are the same people who think they can't talk about racism because they're white. Nothing is ever a them problem. Everything is a you problem. They don't like it when other privileged people stand with the oppressed. It makes them look bad and the cognitive dissonance is uncomfortable.

I've heard it before and I'll repeat it here: this is related to the reason why liberals hate communists so much; our very existence forcibly reminds them that their empty idealist rhetoric doesn't fill bellies, build homes, or prevent hate crimes.

Edit: I knew I'd read it recently, it was Criticalresist8, who put it like this:

They can’t reconcile the fact that they are not actually the most progressive and tolerant person in the room.

It's probably because they're projecting that if their family was as wealthy as yours, they'd probably be a hardcore capitalist

If you're poor and a communist, that's just because you're incapable of bootstrapping yourself upwards and jealous of successful people

When the chips are down, people normally fight for their self-interest.

The bourgeoisie fight for bourgeois interests.

Proletarians fight for labour interests.

Landlords aren't going to willingly give up their free income and comfort in exchange for a life of labour. (Maybe 1% of them will.) They might say they will from the comfort of their armchair, but I'm talking when your life, your future are on the line.

That’s like saying you can’t be capitalist if you’re poor.

The idea that you're obligated to show a system any gratitude just because you've benefit from it in some way (or even were shaped by it at all) is one of my least favorite parts of dealing with other people. A bizarrely deeply ingrained notion.

Yeah fuck those people. If they’re communists saying this then they’re only damaging the movement and should shut the fuck up for the benefit of the world in general. If they’re not and trying to “gotcha” you, they’re idiots, and should be treated as such. It’s a bad faith argument and an attempt to discount you by making you out to be a hypocrite.

When people attempt to do this to me in person I have no problem warning them that I’m prone to smacking people who piss me off.

If you are rich and a communist then you have a duty to donate to leftist movements. Don't just be a rich guy who reads leftist books to pass the time. Your funding might make a huge difference in the long run. Imagine if Engels never financed Marx.

If you don't know where to start, then I suggest you help with leftist independent media. Breakthrough News do a lot of good work.

It's just a way tonpremptively discredit anybody criticizing capitalism.

Oh, you think socialism is good, well then why dont you willingly make yourself destitute, ensuring you can't have any impact on anything.

If you're rich and a communist it's because you're pampered, if you're poor and a communist it's because you're jealous, and if you're middle class and a communist it's because you're lazy. We have something for everyone!

Capitalism was built with the ashes of feudalism, socialism is being built with the ashes of capitalism. All of us in the imperial core live in a capitalist society; everyone is tainted with it in some way. It’s not as though the first capitalist, when he was doing the first enclosure, looked at the land and was like “wait a minute, I’m a hypocrite since I’m using feudalism to destroy feudalism.” He didn’t care. “We will hang the capitalists with the rope that they sell us” has proven to be a pretty effective strategy.

Anyone can be a communist, all it takes is your want to destroy capitalism and the inequality and oppression it brings, coming from rich or poor means nothing, as you said many famous marxists, including marx himself, were materially bourgeois, but they didnt oppress the proletariat and were genuine revolutionaries who actually wanted to end the oppression of the proletariat, these people were class traitors to the bourgeoisie and aided the proletariat against their class interests, calling these people anything but socialist or communist is plainly absurd to be honest.

And this is coming from someone who regularly deals with food issues.

You're only really a communist if you give me like, uhh, $20. Don't worry this goes for the poors too.

The amount of wealth is not the sole indicator and neither is individual choice. There are the material condition, economic relation, and desire to reform the flawed capitalist system with its hypocritical command economy that allow free riding by a few spoiled manchild.

I once got told that I was a hypocrite for being a communist while simultaneously using a username in english, which, I quote, "was the language of the bourgeoisie".

I thought I had seen things hit rock bottom until I got told I could not be a communist and use money at the same time.

If you were poor they would call you jealous. Throw their criticism out, it is worth less than nothing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGC3uJadXh0

If a rich man offers you money, take it and, the next day, kill him. When he says "But I gave you the money!" respond "Why did you give me the money, you idiot?"

We live in brutal capitalism and we must brutally use it.

oh we're not millionaires tho just saying because where i live, millionaires are considered the point where you are officially considered "rich". But the term rich has everywhere different meaning, i might be poor in Qatar but rich in South Sudan. Nothing is objective