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[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 91 points 2 months ago

To be fair. Cold reading has been the core of most such mysticism for a long long time.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 69 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

To a surprising extent you can infer a lot about a person directly from appearances and circumstance. I learned this through people watching when I was in school. It can be a fun hobby realizing how much you can conclude, but there’s a dark side to the skill of judging a book by its cover.

It’s a dangerous and addictive path because it’ll feel like the sheer number of times you’re right outweighs the scarce few when you’re wrong, diminishing the significance of those people who you misjudged. The moment you begin taking actions based on those inferences you must realize there’s a difference between statistical likelihood and fact. Being right 99% of the time is a fascinating skill. Being wrong even once and treating a person based on those assumptions makes you an asshole. Rhetorically speaking, ask me how I know.

Yes, I understand the point of this post is in the gullibility, but I wanted to share anyway because I find it fascinating that it seems simultaneously true that you can judge a book by its cover, but at the same time you can’t because those are still assumptions and not completely infallible.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 months ago

A lot of it is also casting a wide net, and relying on people remembering your accuracy more than your inaccuracy.
"I'm getting the feeling that there was someone you were close with who's no longer in your life, and that their departure happened in the fall or winter, or around then."

Everyone has someone die or lose touch, and the given timeframe is nearly the entire year. The person will likely tell you the hit, and then you can build on it by agreeing with the detail they shared.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

Good nuance in that. People are and aren't simple, we contain multitudes without trying to be obfuscatory. Stay humble in your estimations of others.

[–] SirDerpy@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

I'm sometimes hesitant to speak to people because I can't remember if they told me the personal thing or I deduced it.

[–] Rolando@lemmy.world 48 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So there's one approach to fortune-telling where you convince them that you have some magical ability to figure out their secrets, and then you use cold-reading techniques to trick them into thinking you have mystic powers.

But there's a better approach where you give someone an open-ended set of symbols, and you use those to help the person think through the issues in their life. You're giving them the opportunity to reflect on things from a new perspective.

  • a Tarot card might have symbols for "loss in worldly matters" and be in a position that represents their past
  • another card might have symbols for "an older person, very patient" and be in a position that represents their current circumstances
  • another card might have symbols for "the end of a time of plenty" and be in a position that represents the conflict of their current circumstances
  • another card might have symbols for "gain through cooperation" and be in a position that represents their future

So you talk to the person and describe what each card means, and they think about how it applies to their life. They might ask questions like: "does 'loss in worldly matters' mean money?" and you say "sure, it can, or it can mean something else like being reprimanded at work." and they might say "oh, I think in my case it means (whatever)." And then you can think together how that applies to the rest of the reading. People have a lot of things going on in their lives, things can just slip by, and this gives them a chance to step back and think it all over.

[–] radix@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago

Someone did my tarot recently, and I didn't realize the second way existed. Paired with introspection after the fact, the experience was quite therapeutic.

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 37 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I actually find this wholesome because while dude was initially mocking tarots, what he was really doing was being an active listener and being available for people.

So I'm all for this type of "prank".

[–] RandomStickman@fedia.io 37 points 2 months ago (1 children)

He's just being honest about being good at cold reading, something that most fortune tellers use anyway. At least he's not charging people for it.

[–] nulluser@programming.dev 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)
[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 months ago

Some are simply wrong

[–] thesporkeffect@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

The ones that have any kind of accuracy, at least

[–] Glytch@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Most of the ones on TV actually do warm reading where the audience gets question cards beforehand so the psychic already has a mark picked out when the performance starts.

[–] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Hard to know how much he was listening. It's def a mostly harmless prank so I'm also cool with it, but I wouldn't say he's been actively helping people.

[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

Its always been cold-reading with props. I respect him just going for it though.

[–] urheber@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

to be fair, when youre sitting there and the person is just WAY off, you kinda feel bad and act surprised, yk.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No I don't know even one little bit

[–] urheber@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 months ago
[–] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago

He figured out tarot readings in one evening.

[–] DarkSirrush@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 months ago

Isn't this the guy who married an old woman in part because she hated her family and wanted them to get nothing?

I mean, they apparently had a very wholesome and good relationship, but it was definitely a relationship founded in part of spite on her end.

The relationship saved his life though. She took him off the streets, gave him a loving home, helped him enjoy life again, and then passed on after giving him everything in her will.

[–] TriflingToad@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

why he doing the trade offer pose

[–] NoiseColor@startrek.website 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't know, it sounds pretty impressive to me. I don't even know when my wife is angry.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You gotta train her to actually tell you

Communication is important

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Seriously this.

This is my setup for my wife.

[–] imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

Come come come come

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I get a bad gateway from that image, FYI, but it might just be on my end.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 5 points 2 months ago

What I want to know is if our friend there would be up for a game of Tarot. He has the cards, just gotta learn how to play!