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I'm a leftist anarchist
As a queer black woman, the CIA has done more for me then the civil rights act ever could
This is a direct quote from RFK Jr.
almost certainly a libertarian who thinks they hold left-wing opinions, if you asked them whether private property should be abolished they would say no
"I'm an anarchist, I think weed should be legal and I think everyone should have 
, just as American's are given by the First Amendment."
why doubt? Ukraine-Maidan and Hong Kong, the minuscule anarchists were part of the protest. I remember reading anarchist reports about being chased out of protests by Right Sector Nazis during Maidan. The Nazis were the ones doing the street fighting against the cops during Maidan. Hong Kong protests, the anarchists were surprised by the rightwing nationalism of the protests, even when Murican flags were being waved. This is not sectarianism, just stating facts, anarchists (no matter how minuscule they are) they will join any protest (even when it's an obvious NED/CIA job) that opposes their government.
Yeah, there's a long interview from some Hong Kong anarchist collective that I read where despite them being part of the protests they spend the entire thing complaining about how reactionary the movement they're materially supporting is, how the bulk of the protesters (whom they were still unconditionally supporting) were racist, sexist creeps who were violently intolerant of any sort of internal criticism, and how the protest movement was rallying around Euromaidan symbols and idolizing Azovite nazis, and how there was a general sort of millenarianism to the protests where they weren't even aimed at succeeding so much as trying to force such a crackdown that the US would step in directly and burn the world for them.
But they still supported them, even as they verbally tore apart the whole movement in ways the media would never touch lmao. Like they were so sectarian that they were making common cause with fascists and then also being sectarian against their fascist allies that they willfully chose to ally with.
anarchists (no matter how minuscule they are) they will join any protest (even when it's an obvious NED/CIA job) that opposes their government.
Anarchists showing up to a protest because they think it's based for being anti-cop or anti-corp, realize they've been cucked, then come back and report (honestly) about what they saw are Good Aktuly.
They've got good morals and bad info. They're doing a little bit of insider journalism for folks with an outsider perspective. And they're self-radicalizing, to a degree, as they realize who they're dealing with.
It's the shitlibs and shitlibertarians who show up, meet Nazis, and come back insisting "oh wait these Trump guys have a lot of good points, we both don't like the SeeSeePee. Trust them they're based and cool" are the ones I'm more disgusted with.
Your David Brooks tier anti-government guy who goes down to Berlin to cover the fall of the wall and announce how much he loves German Nationalism all of a sudden... We all know how that story ends.
But I'm not going to lose faith in an America-pilled guy who goes in thinking he's supporting Hong Kong John Kerry and comes out spitting curses at Allen Dulles. That's how we get more Matt Christmans.
Anarchists naively telling on themselves is good for us on an intel level but it doesn't make said anarchists hopeful candidates to develop politically in a better direction, and while make anarchists do make that step forward, most do not.
Anarchists naively telling on themselves is good for us
It's more them going inside these organizations and outing their fash roots.
it doesn't make said anarchists hopeful candidates to develop politically in a better direction
You can't change your view without a different perspective. The keyboard commando anarchists who live on the computer, never actually meet anyone in person, never show up at protests or organize with peers, and simply regurgitate the same twelve anarchist memes dating back to the Spanish Civil War are the ones who won't develop. The anarchists who try to do Real Anarchy by taking direct action are the ones who are primed to either convert or at least do a little good for others in their stubborness.
while make anarchists do make that step forward, most do not
The anarchists who make the jump stop being anarchists and start being the Secret Other Thing (
). So it's something of a selection bias.
But - at least in America - we all start out as something much closer to the fashist core approved by the state. Libertarians, Progressives, Greens, and Anarchists are people who have at least stretched outside the ideological zone that liberals and conservatives permit. You're not going to find a ton of people who are Marxists out of the gate because you're not going to find a bunch of Marxism in elementary education and social circles. People have to get there somehow. Anarchy is farther along the road than most people get. Give them a chance to keep growing.
I disagree. I'm not online in spaces to deal with keyboard commando anarchists, all my experience is from anarchists on the ground involved with organizing in my community. They will dox a tankie before they do anything to actually challenge capitalism and no exposure to differing perspectives is going to change their minds. They are, like soc dems, volunteer sheep dogs of liberalism who exist to lead newly developing leftists away from Marxism. Anarchists will often suppress materialist thought in organizing spaces and police these spaces in a way to divert energy into useless BS until the momentum dies down and nothing happens. I know quite a few anarchists who became Marxists and the common denominator is that they didn't identity as anarchists for more than a year or two before the reality of organizing in anarchist spaces made it obvious that they needed to look further for answers. Anyone who is an anarchist after their baby leftist phase is basically a volunteer cop in my eyes. I used to be more big tent about it but I have seen anarchists wreck a dozen different organizing arenas in my community, almost all of which were white people fucking up a movement that had the biggest impact on colonized communities. I have seen white anarchists enable fascists and cops, try to dox Muslim organizers, push out Black organizers and more. I have a lot of criticisms of Marxists too but I've never seen them do the type of stuff that I've seen anarchists do to comrades and movements.
They will dox a tankie before they do anything to actually challenge capitalism and no exposure to differing perspectives is going to change their minds.
Maybe we're just in different communities, but I've never seen anyone "dox" a fellow volunteer.
If you're at an in-person meet up, I'm not sure what that's even supposed to look like.
Anyone who is an anarchist after their baby leftist phase is basically a volunteer cop in my eyes. I used to be more big tent about it but I have seen anarchists wreck a dozen different organizing arenas in my community, almost all of which were white people fucking up a movement that had the biggest impact on colonized communities.
That's a long history of organizing to see as many groups get wrecked. I've had a lot of hurdles with my neighborhood - people with free time, costs of supplies, building trust, staying organized as a group.
Squabbles between communists and anarchists are the least part of it.
When I say doxing I mean things like taking pictures of people, sending them to group chats, cop jacketing, spreading rumors or talking shit about them to other people in these coalitions and orgs, inoculating people against them, posting about them on social media and so on. Using the term as a catch all for wrecker behavior targeted particularly at marxists because they are marxists
This is eerily similar to my experience with trying to organize with anarchists.
Half of them are "cool".
The other half...they think they're doing a heckin praxis by "outing" tankies and "authoritarians" because they don't follow the state department line on Russia or China.
I never identified myself as a Marxist, and at several points they revealed their plans to scapegoat the only openly Marxist members of the group if shit went down with cops. I stopped organizing IRL because of this because my city doesn't really have any good Marxist orgs or much leftist organizing in general.
Just a bunch of internet poisoned white kids thinking they're heroes doing anti-fascist praxis by trying to get good comrades (who are just trying to feed people and take care of the homeless) arrested by actual fascists. I think their hearts are in the right place and they want to do the right thing, but have their brains so broken by Western media that they're in effect more dangerous than the average lib or chud because their idealism is so strong.
yep exactly. as just people to run into at a bar or something most of them are fine, even charming and fun, but for any revolutionary activity I think working with them is an opsec nightmare which will absolutely lead to people like us being thrown under the bus.
The keyboard commando anarchists who live on the computer, never actually meet anyone in person, never show up at protests or organize with peers, and simply regurgitate the same twelve anarchist memes dating back to the Spanish Civil War are the ones who won't develop.
I hear this line on HexBear constantly but it's been my experience that plenty of online weirdos do indeed show up at actual organizing events quite often, and usually bring their online weirdness with them. Idk how many Guy Fawkes mask clad dudes with cardboard signs referencing obscure lefty Reddit memes I've seen at marches.
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Anarchists showing up to a protest because they think it's based for being anti-cop or anti-corp, realize they've been cucked, then come back and report (honestly) about what they saw are Good Aktuly.
No, if they keep supporting those protests anyway.
Anarchists showing up to a protest because they think it's based for being anti-cop or anti-corp, realize they've been cucked, then come back and report (honestly) about what they saw are Good Aktuly.
But they continued to support the movement.
after years of organizing with anarchists on the ground, I don't doubt it at all.
ehhh I've heard some wild Epic Western Anarchist opinions IRL but overt support for the CIA overthrowing other countries' governments would be pretty out of pocket.
Sure they use the proxy's name and pretend they aren't led by the CIA but 
and it is ostensibly the same.
Western anarchists will mostly weep crocodile tears and condemn those regime changes the CIA did years after the fact, while going on about how their victims were "no saints." But look at any regime change or NED activities in the here-and-now (or in the last 2-3 decades) and suddenly they're all for it.
I was an anarchist, and while I never heard anything quite as extreme as overtly supporting the fucking CIA, any time foreign policy got brought up in convos it wasn't uncommon to see comrades suddenly morph into r/CredibleDefense posters.
Yeah know a few like that as well. Hated China and Russia so much that they got disturbed when I said the US was a greater threat to the world than them.
How do you do, fellow liberal leftist anarchists? Say, the CIA isn't so bad now, are they? Look at all the good they're doing in the world!
all my homies love the state!
The smartest thing N.Korea ever did was develop a nuclear weapon.
Get fucked Amerikkkans
Whole governments are tankies now, good God what if there are tankie continents? Tankie planets? Tankie UNIVERSES out there?
I'm actually a hyperleft extraterrestrial omnirevolutionary but even I realize we need the interdimensional antitankist corps
communism is when 100% tankie, socialism is when 70% tankie
I'm a leftist anarchist but have you stopped to consider literally everything the US state department says is absolutely correct and if you think or do anything against the oligarchical status quo you hate queer people and want them to die. Vote blue!
The CIA is generally humanitarian/progressive organization
Who doesn't like the humanitarian overthrow of democratically elected countries, or humanitarian torture of hundreds of thousands of people.
How about the humanitarian carpet bombing of the countries half a planet away? Humanitarian use of chemical weapons, destroying entire ecosystems and creating births defects for generations? Humanitarian drug traficking of cocaine in South America and heroin in southeast Asia aswell as humanitarian weapons traficking?
How about the humanitarian installation of dictators who mass murder millions of people, who doesn't love that?
Come to think of it, they should give the Nobel peace prize every year to the CIA
please please Biden or kamala or maybe trump start using the word tankie in your posts or speeches
i just want it to finally die. then in a few years we can take it back and make it a good thing
Trump using the word tankie would be funny
stalin shouldn't have stopped at berlin
Feds not beating the accusations of too much reading for them to blend in.
I've met a lot of anarchists, and I have never heard one say some bullshit like this.
Least confused Reddit anarchist
The gift given by v*ush
Poe's Law strikes again
These people are just fascists, no amount of self-labeling as "leftist anarchist" will change that.
Feels like this is an "anarchist" of the "No Gods, No Masters, No age of consent" variety.
The liberal democratic colonia dignidad
The next three leaders of Guatemala [after the CIA installed the collaborator, Colonel Armaz in a coup] died violent deaths, and Amnesty International tells us that the governments we’ve supported in power there since then, have killed 80,000 people. You can read about that one in the book Bitter Fruit, by Schlesinger and Kinzer. [5] Kinzer's a New York Times Journalist… or Jonathan Kwitny, the Wall Street Journal reporter, his book Endless Enemies [7] — all discuss this…
However, the money, the millions and millions of dollars we put into this program [helping Central America] inevitably went to the rich, and not to the people of the countries involved. And while we were doing this, while we were trying, at least saying we were trying, to correct the problems of Central and Latin America, the CIA was doing its thing, too. The CIA was in fact forming the police units that are today the death squads in El Salvador. With the leaders on the CIA’s payroll, trained by the CIA and the United States.
We had the ‘public safety program’ going throughout Central and Latin America for 26 years, in which we taught them to break up subversion by interrogating people. Interrogation, including torture, the way the CIA taught it. Dan Metrione, the famous exponent of these things, did 7 years in Brazil and 3 in Uruguay, teaching interrogation, teaching torture. He was supposed to be the master of the business, how to apply the right amount of pain, at just the right times, in order to get the response you want from the individual.
(Source and more here; possibly NSFL.)
Many official documents and former CIA officers are explicit about the fact that their agency has been willing to do anything to prevent something that so much as resembles another dictatorship of the proletariat from emerging. The CIA’s atrocities aren’t limited to just a few little oopsy‐daisies, as anticommunists suggest.
That’s not a serious comment, right?
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