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feel like I'm encounterimg tip requests with increasing frequency, but not jazzed about the prospect of adding a 20% charge at every point of sale.

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[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 40 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Most important? Any full service restaurant, it's literally their only wages- their paycheck is mostly just a record of their 2.13/hour being used entirely to pay taxes.

Similarly, anyone delivering food to your home- they're getting paid slightly better than a server probably, but are putting wear and tear on a personal vehicle and effectively net very little before tips.

[–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

their paycheck is mostly just a record of their 2.13/hour being used entirely to pay taxes.

this varies by state. slightly less worker-hostile states only have a minimum wage carveout for the disabled but not for servers

[–] anarcho_blinkenist@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

slightly less worker-hostile states only have a minimum wage carveout for the disabled but not for servers

So fucking heinous and evil. The only way this is "less worker-hostile" is because the vast majority of the states also allow disabled people to be wage-enslaved for less than the legal minimum in addition to servers; and even then, in a saner version of this exploitative anti-worker world that would be entirely backwards and the working class of society would have already struggled to decide not to allow abuse of disabled people for cheap labor first before moving onto others. Everyone responsible for drafting these laws with those carveouts and using disabled people as cheap nearly-unpaid labor like that deserve to be summarily shot by the Peoples' army, frankly.

[–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago

sadly it was the liberal part of the asylum emancipation project that participated in that shit in the midcentury afaik

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I have hopefully not doxxed myself too badly here.

[–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago

nah you live in the majority of the us lol

[–] sloth@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago

while risking getting in a fatal accident every trip, not just dropping a tray of food if they get bumped wrong.

[–] ChestRockwell@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Here's my rules of thumb:

Table service 20%

Bar: $1 per drink minimum. If I'm ordering cocktails, usually 2 bucks

Delivery: usually 20%, but with a 3 dollar minimum

Coffee: tips for drinks that are made (latte). For a carafe pull, if I have change I'll toss it in the jar, but no tip off card etc.

I should note that citations-needed has a great episode on this. Remember that even though we should hate tipping because it allows the boss to surveil employees and leverage tips against them, refusing to tip is not praxis. We should strive for change where employees are paid more and no longer need tips, but not tipping will not achieve that.

[–] sloth@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

why do you tip the same 20% for someone carrying a tray of food 50 feet as someone who gets into a vehicle they own and maintain and drives 100s of feet while risking their life and spending their own money on fuel and repair?

[–] ChestRockwell@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The waiter is doing emotional labor/care work in addition to the transport of food. It's a different kind of work but still work graeber

We should value both. Indeed, that's why there's always. 3 dollar minimum, even if I'm only getting ten bucks delivered - to recognize the gas, etc used.

Also, remember, in some states those waiters/waitresses make submininun wage and thus need the tip to make up the difference and pay their rent.

Basically, I value both the care and emotional work of the waiter/waitress and the car costs of the driver. As we should as marxists.

[–] sloth@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I don't disagree, I must have missed the $3 floor. I guess I never factored in the cost of therapy or fancy clothes and only considered how expensive it is to keep a vehicle in working order. What grinds my gears is the people who would casually hand a delivery driver a $5 bill for a large order of pizzas are the same people who painstaking calculate the exact percentage to tip for a large family dinner at a mediocre restaurant. Don't ask me how I know or why I care so much.

[–] ChestRockwell@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No, totally valid. I used to drive pizzas, so I always make sure to at least fork out $3 because of gas, etc. The nice thing about the job was it was very minimal on the kind of "playing nice" shit - I'd show up, give the person the pizza, get the money. Once I started working as a driver, I realized how much goes into the other tipping professions that I wasn't responsible for (i.e. small talk), so I made sure to take care of them as well. Even though pulling a beer off the draft isn't nearly as difficult as driving to someone's house, the bartender also has to keep an eye on me, make sure to offer a new draft, etc. I think that graeber at the end of Bullshit Jobs really hits things home with the emotional labor/care work stuff. That's the real value of the waiter - a robot could easily move food 50 feet, but it couldn't tell the customer what's good or not, etc.

[–] sloth@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Sure. Emotional labor also includes hoping your car makes it up that hill in a blizzard (praying like a bastard), and then making it back down again without banging against a curb, at best. All the while knowing before you left on that run the most you can make is $2.

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Basically anyone who I know is getting paid less than minimum wage (because state laws are godless and terrible) is getting a tip

People can't live off $7.50, they definitely can't live off $2.30 and good will

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

People can't live off $7.50, they definitely can't live off $2.30 and good will

They especially can't live off of "tips" to "smile more" or passive-aggressive fundie propaganda notes about finding Jesus. Ask how I know. grillman burgerpain

[–] sloth@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If someone delivers something to you using their own vehicle, they are literally risking their life as well as what is likely their most valuable asset. If you can't afford to buy them at least a gallon of fuel you should of done it yourself. And use cash whenever possible.

[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 months ago (3 children)

In lots of countries if, for example, a phone is needed to do the job, then the employer has to provide the phone and the phone plan. If it is a hard requirement that one be clean shaven, then razors must be supplied. This also applies to fuel. It is not my problem as the customer

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago

op asked about amerikkka so it's not your problem regardless

[–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago

It is not my problem as the customer

like a crab in a bucket. jesus christ.

downbear

[–] sloth@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"lots of countries" does not include the USA joker-amerikkklap

[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 months ago

yeah, i know. aren't they just the absolute greatest?

[–] Tom742@hexbear.net 16 points 2 months ago

As long as I know the tip goes to the worker, always.

[–] coeliacmccarthy@hexbear.net 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

a mohel has to do a really bad job to not get a tip

edit, serious answer: restaurants, food delivery, taxi/uber. and anywhere with a tip jar gets any coins I have

[–] The_Jewish_Cuban@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago

Just a reminder that anyone working Carhops at Sonic gets paid tipping minimum wage. Many people don't know that and don't tip them.

If you go there make sure you tip some.

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Don't you also have to add tax as well, mentally

[–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

guessing this person lives somewhere with no consumption tax, only value-added, income and/or property taxes

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago

Here, taxes are just added to the shelf price of everything, most shops have a couple of label printers. I think it's required by law

[–] Chapo_is_Red@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Table service, delivery, making a drink

Table service I tip 20%

Delivery I typically tip 10%

Making a drink (whether at a bar or cafe) I usually tip 1$ per drink or 20% whichever is more

[–] sloth@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

TABLE SERVICE 20% and DELIVERY 10%?!?!?

why do you tip 20% for someone carrying a tray of food 50 feet and 10% for someone who gets into a vehicle they own and maintain and drives 100s of feet while risking their life and spending their own money on fuel and repair?

please explain your thought process.

[–] Chapo_is_Red@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My tipping procedures are very typical of the US, if you're blessed to not be from this accursed country they might seem strange, but I think the numbers I give are fairly normal. That said, I don't order food much, so it's possible I'm off base.

As for my reasoning:

(1) Working as a server is a lot more than just carrying a tray one time.

(2) I live in a fairly urban area, anywhere I order from is at most a ten minutes drive.

(3) Food delivery tends be more expensive at base cost, so the percent is off an already higher value.

(4) If there's bad weather or awful traffic (hence increasing driving time), I do double or triple the tip.

[–] sloth@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Thank you for your response.

(1) Working as a server doesn't require you to pay for special insurance, working as a server doesn't require replacing tires, and brake pads, and windshield wiper blades, and regular oil changes, and not killing random people by accident.

(2) A ten minute drive can result in serious injury or death. Walking through a restaurant carries significantly lower risks.

(3) More expensive? So what? 10% of $50 delivery price instead of 20% of $30 dine-in is what? $5 tip compared to $6 tip,,, does that seem right?

(4) Traffic is always awful.

Always tip your driving waiter more than your foot-traffic waiter.

[–] Chapo_is_Red@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago

Working as a server doesn't require you to pay for special insurance, working as a server doesn't require replacing tires, and brake pads, and windshield wiper blades, and regular oil changes, and not killing random people by accident.

For most servers (and most jobs) all of these things are required, just less, since the only way to get to work for most people is to drive

[–] D61@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago

Food.

If you touch my food, I want you to be as happy as possible.

If you have to drive to me, I need to give you more money. If you had to walk outside to deliver my food, I need to give you more money. If you work at a slop house, I need to give you more money. Its a pretty solid reason why I can't eat out as much as would be convenient but its something that I try to live by.

I very much avoid anything but passing cash directly to the staff though. I don't want them to have to pay more in taxes if they don't want to or give reasons for management to keep wages low and most importantly I don't want management to be able to take a cut of the tips for themselves.

Anything else that I normally do where there's a tip jar, I politely ignore. Mostly because I don't have enough money to be able to be so free with tips in Hell-country but also because it doesn't seem fitting.

[–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Seconding @Tom742@hexbear.net, tipping is great because it's your opportunity to compensate the laborer providing you a good or service instead of their bloodsucking petty bourgeois boss. Kill the comprador part of you that hates tipping, and tip discretely with cash wherever possible.

[–] Tom742@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago

Tipping is Praxis

[–] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago

Restaurant service, room service, bartenders, delivery.

[–] Xavienth@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 months ago

Something I don't understand about Canada (or at least Ontario) is we have the exact same tipping rules, but no minimum wage carve-out. Tipped minimum wage is minimum wage.

[–] m532@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago

Where a good tipper is important includes an edge guard option on Yoshis cause you can easily cheese an early kill at like 20%

[–] Xavienth@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 months ago

Something I don't understand about Canada (or at least Ontario) is we have the exact same tipping rules, but no minimum wage carve-out. Tipped minimum wage is minimum wage.

[–] Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 months ago

I'm a day late and nobody will read this, but these comments are wild. There are quite a few states that pay full minimum wage to tipped employees, and nobody mentioned that.

In Washington for example the minimum wage is like $16 so servers are making $16/hr + tips. They're making fuckin bank!

[–] mactan@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

I have the means to do so, so I try to tip about what the wage ought to be for the duration of service, since the wage is all stolen to begin with