Humans are productive without capitalism. If it rains, we build shelter. If we're hungry, we grow food or go find it. We make clothes to keep us warm or to cover ourselves. We make art. At no point in history has any society not been productive or not worked. The difference is that the people of those other societies got to keep the product of their labor. They didn't build a shelter and get paid 1/100th of the price and then were forced to live outside because they couldn't afford a shelter.

People are happy to work. They are not happy to work under capitalism. Under capitalism you produce and it is taken away from you and you get Chuck E Cheese coins that can only be used to pay the robbers for a fraction of what you produced. You build a skyscraper, you get a big mac. You build an airport, you get a hat.

"Critical services and infrastructure should be handled by precariously underpaid and overworked laborers while lanyard wearers congratulate themselves on Reddit between gooning sessions"

Razor_Sharp_007

/r/Rich

/r/Realtors

/r/RealEstateInvesting

/r/FluentInFinance

interactions like this were the reason why i stopped going to reddit and facebook.

bro thinks that touching computers to make line go up is the same thing as being a productive member of society

Okay_I_Go_Now

/r/Entrepreneur

/r/Startups

/r/Freefolk

I don't have anything helpful to say but I also frequently hit the wrong volume button first when taking a screenshot.

No, you see, all those billions of cars and funko pops are absolutely necessary. What? People die over pollution and exploitation? First time hearing it ¯\_ (ツ) _/¯

We could all be living high on the hog, kicking back and letting autonomous machines handle dangerous or debilitating work

But no, someone decided that if you aren't somehow involved in making juice machines that don't actually make juice, then you are a leech and deserve to die

heres some ways to handle it:

most people want to do meaningful, rewarding work. the people declared "lazy" or those adverse to any and all work are most likely (1) disabled in some way or (2) have mental health issues that need resolving first. there tiny fraction of people who even in FALSAC would do nothing but stare into space all day are probably practically non-existant

you shouldn't have to face the prospect of a tortuous death just to go to be exploited.

one i typically use on chuds or conservatives that want to force everyone to work, including the tiny amount of people in the U.S. on some sort of welfare or assistance: okay now they are your co-worker and partly your responsibility now. your job is on the line if they can't do theirs (this one only works IRL and only as a way to justify some sort of state welfare programs, not socialism)

As if tech bros would last a minute in a trade before their dainty little forearms snapped off.

Someone on Reddit had a moment of emotional vulnerability because of the monstrosity of capitalism.

All the robot LARPing lanyards punished that person for daring to do that.

Sometimes I wonder if the Titan Project was only the last straw for observers from afar.

How do you handle these types of arguments in general?

Oh shit, here comes comrade MayoPete with Karl Marx's "Capital, Vol 1"

I would clarify/refocus. It's not about the work itself, it's about who benefits. The work of all should benefit all, and it should be organized democratically - but while our current society does the bare minimum of social spending and has a veneer of democracy, the fact is that 90% of our work benefits a small portion of the population and is organized non-democratically.

If you don't spend 8 hours every day running the McDonald's fryers or making shitty plastic toys or creating propaganda telling people to buy shitty plastic toys and McDonald's burgers society will literally collapse!!!!

I handle it by saying most people don't like being exploited and explain why private property is bad. I then point out how we work more under capitalism than the average peasant in the Middle Ages did