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I really do feel like I'm taking crazy pills with libs this election. The last two they at least had a bloodless rationale to the "lesser of two evils" rhetoric.

But this is genocide, the canonical Worst Thing You Can DO! I know many just believe that it's not a genocide at all because Palestinian civilians are all Hamas and just subhuman or that the videos published by official IOF channels are all deepfaked by the hungry ghost of Nasrallah. But then just FUCKING SAY IT and then we can call you a genocide denier and we'll know where we stand!

What I can't get is that many do seem to agree it's a genocide and Kamala is complicit. But then they lesser evil by going "Well if we don't vote then Trump will do bad things to trans people here."

Like Fuck You! You scheming, gaslighting bloody handed monster!

Either this is just a disingenuous argument to get your team in power or to maintain liberal civility politics, in which case double Fuck You that you think people are abstract political tools.

Or, you actually believe this, and the freedom of an LGBT person here outweighs the lives of 2 million people, many LGBT, who happen to have had the extreme misfortune to be born 5 cm over the border and thus outside your ability to feel empathy.

In which case Triple Fuck You, because you are, somehow, more of a fascist than Trump. At least Trump is too incoherent to make a complete argument for fascist policy!

I'm going mad, I really am. How can people be streamed genocide live on CNN and just say "well, I guess we're ok with genocide now!" Is the US public even human?! Even the fucking Germans had the good sense to pretend to look guilty after they lost.

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[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 49 points 1 day ago

It's pure cynicism.

They believe the genocide is unstoppable and inevitable, so they write it off as an issue entirely. I've literally been told "genocide is not on the ballot" on multiple occasions. Because of the structural issues with US elections we can't stop the genocide by voting PSL, or Green, or staying home. In their minds they don't see the point of not voting for the lesser of two genicidiers.

[-] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 47 points 1 day ago

Genocide is on the ballot, most of the ballot is genocide! It is a ballot dripping in blood! GRaarggh!

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Literally yes, but genocide is "not on the ballot" in the same way that a vote for anyone other than Harris is a vote for Trump.

They've got their whole cynical calculus worked out and think they're just making a hard choice for the greater good. 🙄

I hate this country lol

[-] Angel@hexbear.net 32 points 1 day ago

Appeal to futility type beat

[-] deforestgump@hexbear.net 34 points 1 day ago

No. Most people pay attention to politics for (maybe) 3 months every four years, then pick their favorite flavor candidate.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 31 points 1 day ago

Ever met a "centrist" who deliberately votes for one party's downticket but another party's presidential candidate for "balance?" Many such cases. i-love-not-thinking

[-] deforestgump@hexbear.net 25 points 1 day ago

It’s called Amerikkka brain.

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[-] axont@hexbear.net 33 points 1 day ago

The gambit that liberals are trying to sell me on makes no sense. The presumption is that Trump would continue or exaggerate the genocide. Whereas a Harris administration would simply continue the genocide or maybe possibly have a possibility of maybe ending the genocide if we all ask really nicely.

Yeah except why am I going to trust an administration currently doing genocide to change their minds later? Voting for Harris is an endorsement of her current platform, which involves collaboration with Israel and no proposed alternatives. All of her talk about ceasefire is just talking, the Biden administration has done Jack and shit to actually accomplish this. The weapons shipments to Israel continue, the Biden admin celebrated Sinwar's death.

Libs are also saying we wouldn't be allowed to protest for Palestinian rights under a Trump presidency. Bruh where have they been for the past year? Have they missed all the cops dragging students out of colleges? Have they missed that associating with BDS is a crime in some states, like Texas where I live?

Absolute child brained people who only care about their own personal comfort

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 22 points 1 day ago

Word. All the "Trump will deploy the military against us citizens!" When Walz actually literally did that.

"Walz is such a nice midwestern dad!" When he's running to be second in command of the genocide machine.

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[-] Deadend@hexbear.net 38 points 1 day ago

The blue MAGA people also screamed in rage at us for months and years about any sort of leftward movement on policies and demanded VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO before Biden or Harris even had any 2024 policies in place.

If you want to play electoralism games.. you need to say “if you want my vote - Do This” Instead all of these Blue MAGA fuckers went “you have my vote coconut brat queen, but also please do these policies!”

Which gave Harris explicit permission to run as far right wing as possible to try and pick off Trump supporters who only support Trump because they legitimately think he has some good ideas but don’t like him but would have voted for him, which is such an extremely small group of weirdos consisting entirely of Dick Cheney and his daughter.

[-] Hexboare@hexbear.net 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The DNC still owes voters $600 each

sorry sweaty but i dont vote for bad debtors 💅

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[-] SoloboiNanook@hexbear.net 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Ngl this is par for the course.

Americans literally cannot fathom shit that they cannot see directly in front of them. They know it's happening but ehhhhh it's somewhere else who cares. Nobody cares. Libs who say they care, but are still frothing to defeat orange guy say that they care, but they do not care. Americans didn't give a fuck about Iraq either.

I don't honestly see a "shift" or a "change" or anything different this election. Other than maybe democrats being actually a little more openly right wing with specific policies. Other than that this is just business as usual.

If I'm being real I don't even factor Palestine into either candidate, as they are both going to be genocidal freaks, and even if Palestine wasn't currently being eliminated, I wouldn't vote for these ghouls anyway. Domestically there's a couple differences. Foreign policy wise literally every politician in this trash country is holden-bloodfeast

[-] RaisedFistJoker@hexbear.net 21 points 1 day ago

Americans literally cannot fathom shit that they cannot see directly in front of them.

One day missles will rain down on new york and the majority of the world wont shed a single tear

[-] qaopjlll@hexbear.net 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

But the media will still convince all the US libs that the Arabs are attacking us because they hate our freedoms and not because of anything we might've done that could compel an oppressed population to fight back

[-] RiotDoll@hexbear.net 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Nobody is really dealing with the fact that rhetoric and demographics != policy and action.

Republicans are pretty unpalatable unless you're a hog hooting for immigrant and queer death, and people are just kind of assuming that, of course, the other team won't do anything bad, and will do the good things, because they have the correct demographic support, and the rhetoric at times gestures vaguely to something nicer and less fascist, or at least tries to let a voter infer whatever they need to in order to deliver support, right?

People are pretty rightly scared, they should be, and they literally have no tools for understanding a world where a vote isn't a solution. Because Americans have limited understanding of non-electoral organizing, limited time because of work and survival, and I think we're reaching this point where solutions are so ugly, and so outside of anything anybody in living memory understands, that it might as well be like showing a Westworld host a picture of the outside world - It's just not going to seem like anything. There's an ontological break where voting has to work.

This is what's happening on the ground.

On the organizing level, the ghouls are just playing to the emotions, anxieties, and fears of their constituent demographics. Republicans are integrating with their extremists, and democrats are suppressing theirs. This creates a balance that will inevitably empower the far right, and the democrats are fine with this because their bosses are the same people.

The rhetoric is insane because the moment is insane.

[-] MayoPete@hexbear.net 25 points 1 day ago

I'm definitely going insane.

Was officially diagnosed with Autism recently. I wonder if Autistic traits are common among the left? Like do I feel this way because my brain is literally wired differently than other people? Are neurotypical people more able to brush off mass death and all of the discrimination that leads to it?

[-] axont@hexbear.net 29 points 1 day ago

Leftists (in the west at least) from my experience are overrepresented with neurodivergent folk, queer people, poc, and disabled people. Probably because of two things. Those demographics are less likely to resonate with the promises and dreams of western liberal society. Like the whole house in the suburbs with a spouse and 2.5 kids and office job. That whole dream sounds either impossible or unappealing, so it leads people like us away from buying into the liberal framework.

The other thing is those demographics are often more impoverished. Which leads back around to not buying into the liberal capitalist dream.

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