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translation: There are people conjuring thoughts like "I've seen one too many brown people".

Also unsurprising where the sentiment is coming from:

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[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 37 points 1 month ago

Argentina as usual being two racists in a trenchcoat pretending to be white

[–] RagingHungryPanda@lemm.ee 31 points 1 month ago (2 children)

How do people in Japan think that 10% of the population is foreign!?

I guess Argentina makes a bit more sense - except that not many people are trying to get to Argentina. That sounds like Argentina though.

[–] driving_crooner 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Argentina have a lot of immigration from Perú, Bolivia and Paraguay, but the important part, I think, is that Milei campaign were pretty much "illegal immigrants are destroying our country" and proposing a lot of shit that already exists, like background checks to get work and studying permits.

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

A lot is apparently not that many, and Argentina doesn't need migrants to destroy everything, the extremely racist middle class and other European migrants already did that.

[–] sensiblepuffin@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

I assume it's the same in most areas - humans are really susceptible to sampling bias and if you live in an urban area, you're going to see a higher number of immigrants or foreigners. Plus, in Japan specifically, there's currently a big backlash against tourists fucking with people's daily routines, so I'm sure people mentally think there must be hordes of foreigners constantly invading the country.

Interesting that Argentina has the largest disparity here, actually. I would have expected it to be the US, given the rhetoric.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 month ago

These polls tend to fumble their own methods, by trusting people to read definitions. They should be asking directly: how many people in your country were born in another country? The word "immigrant" literally means that... but that's not the only meaning people envision, when they hear that word. To some extent you are always measuring that disconnect.

On the other hand, what fucking lunatics think 22% of America is Muslim?

[–] TriflingToad@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

how do people in the US think Muslim folk make up 22% of the population!? My guess was like 4-5% and I still overshot by a lot.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 month ago

I think the issue is that most people live in cities, where populations tend to me more diverse. Then most polls probably also end up disproportionately asking cityfolk. So the polls ask people who live in areas with disproportionate numbers of immigrants (relative to non-urban parts of the country), and they forget how many non-immigrants are outside the cities.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago
[–] bunkyprewster@startrek.website 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Who are all the people immigrating to Australia?

[–] bomibantai@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Malaysians, Chinese, indians, I've even met a couple from Timor

[–] driving_crooner 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It's also a common destination for upper middle class families on latinamerica, because you can pay in doing an MBA and getting a job.

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I don't agree, I see Latin American people in lower ranks but not often and never met one in management position besides myself. And I can spot them from big distance and even separate them from Philippinos who tend to have the same last names.

[–] Longmactoppedup@aussie.zone 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)
Skilled   Family   Humanitarian All permanent migrants(b)
1 India  356,100 China (c)  133,000 Iraq  62,400 India  439,700
2 England  197,300 India  81,900 Afghanistan  30,700 China (c)   334,900
3 China (c)  196,500 England  79,700 Myanmar  21,100 England   277,500
4 Philippines  103,200 Philippines  64,000 Syria  20,900 Philippines   167,400
5 South Africa  101,300 Vietnam  61,500 Iran  17,300 South Africa   118,200
6 Australia (d)  65,300 Thailand  34,400 Sudan  12,300 Vietnam   82,400
7 Malaysia  52,000 United States of America  27,300 South Sudan  7,000 Australia (d)   75,900
8 Sri Lanka  48,300 Indonesia  21,000 Pakistan  6,600 Iraq   72,700
9 Korea, Republic of (South)  40,700 Afghanistan  18,900 Thailand  5,800 Malaysia   69,200
10 Pakistan  39,000 Korea, Republic of (South)  18,700 Ethiopia  5,700 Sri Lanka   67,700

The above is from https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/people-and-communities/permanent-migrants-australia/2021

[–] bunkyprewster@startrek.website 1 points 1 month ago

Looks like all the British are a problem

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

We've got people from all the continents, but mostly Asia.

Earlier this year at work each team put out a flag for each team member, and across like 100 flags there was surprisingly little repetition besides predictably China and India. Australia was maybe in 5th place.

My team has 15 people and we joked that our only Australian was a diversity hire.

We do software development in case you didn't guess yet.

[–] zeekaran@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Japan what the hell? When I'm there I usually go hours without seeing another white person, depending on where I'm at.

[–] Muscle_Meteor@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 month ago

They would have immigrants primarily from other parts of asia most likely

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[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

We have cities in germany where "5.5%" really doesn't paint the right picture. I've recently been to one where most shops had signs i can't read and more muslims than i saw in Turkey or elsewhere. Seeing or hearing (a) german was a rare exception. And this is really no exaggeration.

Of course if you take all the rural areas into the equation, where usually very few are, you might see the 5% in toto, but in the cities and especially the cores? No way.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What share of the population do you think are immigrants?

Where does “I don’t care” register?

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah, same here, zero fucks given, they're people, let them move where they want. The upside, if I dont like it I can fuck off.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

This does not count Ukrainians for Poland though, even for 2022 before war there were much more of them than 2%, possibly as many as 3 million and that went up in years included here.

[–] uberstar@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yep, that's true, the latest census was from 2021, and the figure was 3.69%.

Probably the figures weren't available to Ipsos at the time, despite the publishing date :/? Idk..

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That's different question though on the census, about nationality of Polish citizens. Most of numbers of minorities with citizenship in Poland are Polish minorities who were born in Poland. Like Silesians who are not even officially considered minority and still half million of them wrote that in (in reality there's at probably around a million of them since once the census bureau included them despite government not wanted to admit them at all). And even let's say Polish Germans, Belorussians and Ukrainians (at least those 80000 mentioned in this census) are also living here for generations due to how frequently borders changed in last two centuries.

Polish state is also relentlessly engaging in polonisation of minorities since 1918.

[–] propter_hog@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago

Argentina and the US being just overt racists is accurate

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

who in australia thinks we have 20% muslims? we probably dont even have 20% christians

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Apart from a couple of countries, the percentages are small. The graph is distorted as it's not showing the full 100%

Looks like most people, in most countries, are pretty close to accurate.

[–] uberstar@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Alternative view (directly from the source):

IMO being off by around 10% or more is still quite the leap.

[–] Darth_Reagan@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Poland's perception being off by 7x is pretty wild.

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[–] infectoid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah as much as I love to call people out for their racist bullshit, the results are surprisingly close to the mark. I was expecting the gap to be much wider. At least for the English speaking countries.

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[–] lambdabeta@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

Interesting that Canada wasn't included (at about 20%). Wonder how/why they picked those countries.

[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

90% or so of people in the USA are immigrants

I dont get these graphs

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

100% or so of people everywhere are immigrants...

[–] SatyrSack@feddit.org 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Perhaps descended from immigrants. I presume most are native, meaning they were born in that nation.

[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 month ago

Okay that makes sense

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