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This is not my personal opinion, I know Gen Z men who voted for Harris. But the voter demographics really speak for themselves, and maybe now people will look at the radicalization of young men as a serious (but solvable) issue.

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[-] PanArab@lemm.ee 39 points 13 hours ago

Alienation caused by economics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx%27s_theory_of_alienation

Fascists have a message for them, the liberals don't because they are committed to the current economic and political system

[-] USSEthernet@startrek.website 10 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

I blame social media and algorithms. My teen son for the longest time was leaning further and further right due to the content he was getting served on YouTube. He was making disparaging comments about women and how stupid they are. My wife and I who lean left had to sit down and have a talk with him about what he was saying and videos that he was getting served by YouTube (that popular red pill girl, I can't remember her name and andrew tate among other red pill stuff). He's a pretty smart kid, once we showed him data and articles that directly proved all the things he was watching wrong, he started to come around. He's been careful to believe things that he sees or hears on the internet more now. Occasionally, he'll bring things to us that we have to double take and fact check to see if it's wrong.

[-] isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 10 hours ago

that popular red pill girl

brett cooper? I literally got it on my recommended yesterday and holy shit people are braindead

[-] USSEthernet@startrek.website 1 points 9 hours ago

I had to go digging. It's Pearl or something.

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

You mean fem shapiro.

[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 19 points 14 hours ago

the Democrats will just pander to this by getting an endorsement in 2028 from Andrew Tate.

[-] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 9 points 13 hours ago

My friend, do not speak this into existence 😭

[-] P00ptart@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago

Lmao there won't be elections in 2028.

[-] spaduf@slrpnk.net 5 points 10 hours ago

Because the democrats haven't made a serious appeal to them in a decade. We need to turn bell hooks into actionable political messaging.

[-] josefo@leminal.space 12 points 14 hours ago

it's either being that or a concubine, gen z was the after millennial hope that died

[-] LANIK2000@lemmy.world 76 points 21 hours ago

As a zoomer that's old enough to be working class now. Man, my childhood was fucked. At school, being a right wing troll was the norm, at least for boys. I was too.

The worst part is no-one cared, fucking "they'll grow out of it" and now everyone is suddenly in shock. When I talk about it to my friend today he's even in fucking denial about it, "Oh they didn't actually mean that, it was all jokes".

And our education system doesn't do anything to combat this shit either. Quite the opposite, the dogmatic authoritarian approach schools take coupled with zero-tolerance policies pretty much ensures people shouting this hateful shit get away with it.

After all saying "Hitler did nothing wrong" only gets annoyed looks, gets completely brushed off as "edgy" or something. But then when someone points out that person's shit, suddenly that's an attack???

[-] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 13 points 14 hours ago

"Oh they didn't actually mean that, it was all jokes".

Because those were jokes.

The problem we have today is not that it was socially acceptable to be a psychopath online in 2014. The problems are, in my opinion:

  • Rapidly decreasing standards of living
  • Social media making people more stupid
  • Governments being too large and intransparent
  • Pointless governmental spending without explaining the why to the population

The right-wing shift is part of a global failure of established governments.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago

The right-wing shift is part of a global failure of established governments.

Yes! Thank you.

Just as the next left-wing shift won't be a result of humanity getting smarter somehow, it will be a result of right-wing policies failing. And that shift won't lead to any improvement either.

It's a pendulum.

People are willing to tolerate a failing system longer, when it aligns on surface with their own views. This is similar to people on the right defending Pinochet and death squadrons.

And people on the left 20 years ago would defend a lot of things about USSR or Che Gevara or stuff like this, even not being tankies.

Tribalism leads to degeneracy.

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[-] exasperation@lemm.ee 8 points 14 hours ago

The worst part is no-one cared, fucking "they'll grow out of it" and now everyone is suddenly in shock. When I talk about it to my friend today he's even in fucking denial about it, "Oh they didn't actually mean that, it was all jokes".

Most edgy teens do grow out of it. I roll my eyes at embarrassment at some of the stuff I wrote in college, and high school me was even stupider.

But one difference in my high school years (in the 90's), edginess wasn't inherently politically coded. Some of it was racist, sexist, or homophobic, but plenty of the targets were also Republican constituencies: rural/small town people, Christians, fat people, old people, prudes, etc. In a conservative suburban area, jokes about abortion, sex, drugs, etc. were often designed to elicit shock and disgust.

I think we've seen a cultural shift in which edginess is seen as right wing in itself, in part because the right, which used to get offended at things like Harry Potter and Howard Stern and Disney movies, has fallen in line with edgy Gen X comedians who somehow didn't grow out of it, and made room for people who smoke weed and mock the Bible.

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[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago

I begged my admin to do something about my boy students sexually harassing my girl students. Instead, my some of my boy students discovered I was trans and outed me.

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[-] iwndwyt@sh.itjust.works 22 points 16 hours ago

"Harris has a significant lead among young registered voters in the NBC News Stay Tuned Gen Z Poll powered by SurveyMonkey. But a yawning gender gap is dividing Gen Z."

That being said, we all know how inaccurate polls can be sometimes.

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[-] Femcowboy@lemm.ee 1 points 9 hours ago

Because they're being indoctrinated by Kick streamers like I was by YouTubers in 2015. It's so disappointing to see the same shit that ruined me for years ruin them.

[-] kyub@discuss.tchncs.de 49 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

The main source of this recent trending fascism, anti-scientific thinking and so on is social media or the web in general. To resist or refute the mass of false information and find out what's likely true and what's not, requires education, literacy, media competency, things like that. I guess current generations are lacking this so they fall easy prey to "funny" fascist memes, fakes and rhetoric, then vote for rightwing extremists, destabilizing their own country as a result, not realizing that this leads to big disadvantages for everyone including themselves. We failed to protect these younger generations from misinformation, and now they are turning the world into what they are misled to believe is true.

We used to have relatively high living standards in the Western democracies. This will soon all crumble and we (most people who aren't rich) will suffer from it, regardless of who you voted for. And on top of that, climate change will finish us all off, because battling that isn't even on the radar for those fascists because they don't even believe in it. So instead of doing too little, we'll do literally zero and even accelerate the problem, meaning it'll affect us all much sooner already and with higher intensity.

So enjoy your still existing relatively privileged life while it still lasts. It's ging to get much, MUCH worse before it's going to be better again. Buckle up and prepare yourselves.

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 31 points 19 hours ago

With the levels of anti-intellectualism, it's also quite hard.

You write more that 3 lines? You used a "buzzword"? Congratulations, your refutation won't be read, but will met with ridicule!

My mother's boyfriend often "reads" articles from more liberal-leaning news sources, and he just laughs at the buzzwords. Cannot tell what the articles were about.

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 8 points 15 hours ago

A buzzword being one with three syllables or more, I presume?

(Syllables are probably woke nowadays)

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