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[-] doublehelix@lemmy.cafe 21 points 13 hours ago

When she sat down on The View and said she wouldn't change a thing compared to Biden that was a messaging problem. People can't afford rent and grocery inflation is out of control and she thinks everything is fine and dandy? I voted for her but I'm kind of sick of being a perpetual afterthought who has been voting for the lesser of two evils for over 20 years. They dumped the working class in favor of chasing an imaginary pool of moderates and this is the result. Give us someone we can be passionate about and, even if they're lying, at least pretend to tell us what we want to hear.

[-] rigatti@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago

Grocery inflation is, in fact, not out of control: https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/

I'm so tired of hearing that. But I guess that's part of her messaging problem. She couldn't get through to people looking at high prices and assuming they're still rising.

[-] SquatDingloid@lemmy.world 9 points 12 hours ago

Food inflation is outpacing wage growth

People don't give a shit what the CPI is

Their grocery runs cost more for less food, so there is a problem with wage growth or food prices that the Dems are not willing to acknowledge

[-] rigatti@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

Food prices are a component of CPI. Food inflation is also around 2%, which is like the ideal inflation rate: https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/food-inflation-in-the-united-states/

Note that it was out of control a couple years ago, which is why prices went way up. I haven't looked at the statistics, but what I have heard is that wage growth, generally, has caught up to inflation, which includes food prices. This is still a feels over reals situation. People feel that their food is too expensive, and Republicans are way better at addressing the feels. One of my favorite signs around the neighborhood said "TRUMP LOW PRICES || KAMALA HIGH PRICES". Like, yeah, that definitely makes sense. Well explained.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

That's because low inflation does not mean prices come back down, which is what people expect. So technically inflation is not out of control. But prices are still high. That's what people mean.

[-] rigatti@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

That's exactly what I said.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

Not really. Sorry but you're playing pedantic with the terms. People say inflation to mean high prices.

[-] rigatti@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

It's not pedantic. People just literally don't understand what inflation means. Wage growth, apparently, has caught up to inflation, so it's really just that people haven't adjusted their mindset to the higher prices now. And they're angry about it.

[-] ValorieAF@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago

Grocery inflation is also a result of price gouging, not the economy.

[-] ReCursing@lemmings.world 2 points 11 hours ago

What do you think the economy is? It is made up of price gouging and parapsychology <yes I know that's ghosts>

[-] TreeGhost@lemm.ee 3 points 12 hours ago

Its not out of control now, but that doesn't cancel out previous high inflation rates on things. If people wages haven't kept up then they may not be able.to still afford the standard of living they had a few years ago.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

The problem with that was that she was actually answering the question, correctly and analytically. They actually made the right decisions, even if the supply chain was still a problem. Not much the president can do about that global problem.

even if they're lying

Yeah you get it. She didn't do the politician thing where you answer adjacently.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 40 points 15 hours ago

Republicans have a vision. Democrats have a list of policy proposals. Average people can grok the vision but since they read at a 6th grade level they don't grok the policy proposals.

Democrats need to stop acting like nerds if they want more people to like them.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 35 points 15 hours ago

But I was told it was just that our policy proposals weren't left enough?

Unironically, you're right. Most voters don't vote based on any kind of coherent ideology. They vote on feels.

God help us all.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 28 points 15 hours ago

If the policy proposals were far left enough they'd start to look a helluva lot more like a vision.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 7 points 15 hours ago
[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago

(I wasn't sure whether to edit my comment or reply to your first post, so I'm putting this here)

As for people voting on feels: I think that's always been the case for most people. Most people are of average intelligence, with an average education and average interest in politics. They're gonna vote based on vibes, so you have to get the vibes right or the average person won't vote for you.

And you can't fake vibes by having a bunch of celebrities around.

[-] seaQueue@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Clinton 1 and Obama were our last successful Dem candidates. You need a charismatic candidate with a consistent message that speaks to everyone if you want to win the popularity contest. Gore, Clinton 2 and Harris failed on both of those counts. Biden won only because of pandemic and government abuse/mismanagement backlash, he would have lost to Trump in other circumstances.

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[-] tootoughtoremember@lemmy.world 16 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

I want a country where everyone pays less for healthcare. If it can be done for seniors, why not everyone else?

I want a country where everyone's private medical decisions remain between them and their doctor, without being cleared by your local, state, or federal representative or by a judge.

I want a country where everyone who works, pays taxes, and does not commit violent crime or property theft can stay and keep working without having to look over their shoulder.

I want a country where if you work full time, you can afford your rent/mortgage, put food on the table, start a family, and still be able to retire.

There's a vision. Apparently all of these things have become radically progressive leftist positions and are attacked as such by the media and conservatives alike.

[-] makuus@pawb.social 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

See, the problem with all of these ideas is that they’re at odds with the billionaires’ vision that you slave away in servitude to them, while their imaginary worth line goes up to infinity.

It’s really nothing more complex than that. And, as soon as the non-billionaire conservatives—your neighbors, your coworkers, the people you pass by every day—wake up and understand that they’re covered by that vision, too, the sooner things get better for all of us.

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[-] SleepyBear@lemmy.world 15 points 14 hours ago

How the fuck do democrats win here then? After the Harris/Dump debate i feel like there was a lot of conjecture about how Harris didnt talk about policy enough. How do you get away with talking about policy but not "sounding like a nerd" to uneducated voters? See I think this is more about the average voter not being educated enough to understand the issues and the policies potential nominees have pertaining to them, or how their lives would be affected depending who/what they vote for.

[-] BakerBagel@midwest.social 11 points 13 hours ago

Start offering policies that help average people. Run on medicare for all. Run on forcing pharmaceutical companies lowering drug prices. Run on building new factories to create solar panels, geothermal equipment, and wind turbines. Run on creating affordable housing and ending corporate landlords. Run on campaign finance reform with a promise of ending political ads that everyone hates.

The Democrats problem is tha they won't do any of that because their donors dont want it. But as long as the DNC values their donorsore than their voters, they will continue to lose elections.

[-] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 points 9 hours ago

The Democrats don't win here.

Just like the Tea Party transformed the GOP, we need a Guillotine Party to drag the Democratic party to the electorate.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago

i feel like there was a lot of conjecture about how Harris didnt talk about policy enough

Yeah, from other nerds

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 10 points 14 hours ago

How about do basic stuff that people understand ...

... like tax the hell out of billionaires and use the money on people in the country.

... stop financing overseas wars and use that free money on people in the country

.... then just keep repeating and blasting everyone that all the money the government is collecting from rich idiots and not spending on war is being spent on everyone ...... rinse, repeat 10,000 times.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 11 points 14 hours ago

Yep. And there's precedent for this. (Even though with this Supreme Court precedent counts for jack shit...)

Every time Bernie got asked a question he'd turn it around to mentioning the top 1% and how they're fucking us over. And people liked him for it. I had MAGA hat folks tell me they liked him because of it back in 2016.

[-] Montagge@lemmy.zip 3 points 14 hours ago

MAGA would say that and vote straight R

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago

Yeah but they wouldn't say that about anyone else I can think of. And we're not trying to get MAGA, we're trying to get people to fucking vote at all.

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[-] simplejack@lemmy.world 11 points 15 hours ago

Republicans also like to defund public schools and or encourage people to go to religious private schools. That way they’re either too dumb to vote for policies, or too indoctrinated to vote for the candidate that isn’t promising Christian nationalism.

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[-] voldage@lemmy.world 10 points 13 hours ago

She didn't? I believe that's exactly what she came across as when she said she wouldn't do anything different if she were to call the shots instead of Biden and also reminded everyone she signed off on most of his decisions. Sure, she lost votes because of sexism as well, but instead of fresh air she chose to bring stale coffin smell to the fart battle and lost to the stink Trump was all too happy to discharge. And that coffin did smell of a old white dude, let me tell you.

That being said, for such a gigantic loss against someone as obnoxious as Trump, there had to be a lot of factors in play. Sexism and stagnation of the party being just a tip of the iceberg.

[-] cybermass@lemmy.ca 26 points 16 hours ago

The problem is the Democrats are scared to push back hard, they try to move to the right to capture moderate voters, and then lose 10x as many voters to the left who don't care enough to vote because the Democrats are trying to make concessions with absolute lunatics.

The DNC seems like it just doesn't have a spine. Doesn't matter now, it's all fucked and it's too late.

[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago

She literally called him a fascist. It's that not enough pushback?

[-] BakerBagel@midwest.social 13 points 13 hours ago

People don't care about shit like that. They want to know what you are gonna do to make their lives better.

[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago

And no matter what, nothing that is said will be listened to.

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[-] yesman@lemmy.world 10 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Harris is missing 10 million votes that Biden got in 2020. It looks like many of those 10 million were suburban men who didn't vote Trump, just sat on the couch. misogyny is a viable explanation for this because otherwise you'll have to explain why Biden set the left on fire, or why Biden was so inspirational to men.

She lost the scrote vote, simple as that.

[-] niucllos@lemm.ee 8 points 15 hours ago

Some of it is 100% misogyny, I think some of it is also that 4 years ago the country was literally on fire in a lot of places and Trump was obviously to blame for a lot of it, so it didn't matter so much to apathetic voters if Biden's messaging was weak. Kamala may have won then too, though misogyny would have made it closer. Now the country is much more stable but still not great, but Democrats are in charge and therefore obviously to blame, so people who largely haven't been affected negatively by the Republicans (e.g. men, especially non-desperately-poor white men), are apathetic again

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[-] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

The main problem is that Democrats do not have a propaganda machine like the Republicans do. It does not matter what the message is if it constantly gets drowned out by the unceasing flood of propaganda coming from the right.

[-] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 3 points 9 hours ago

The right isn't the problem. Our problem is a lack of a left. The Tea Party managed to resuscitate the GOP about 4 terms ago. We need a Guillotine Party to drag the Democrats away from corporate American and back to the electorate.

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[-] archonet@lemy.lol 6 points 15 hours ago

Okay but this post would imply Trump is white.

I'd need to crank up the color temperature on his photos quite a bit to achieve that.

[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 hours ago

The fundamental issue is that people don’t think the system works.

The Democrats have been padding themselves on the back all this time that they follow the rules. So, their message is more like the system does work and is in fact fair if you just follow the rules.

People are tired of that.

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