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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 minute ago

the boys i mean are not refined

[–] traches@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 hours ago
[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 17 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

How about just clubbing someone with a live explosive?

[–] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 11 points 8 hours ago

This only works if you are black and Scottish

[–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 58 points 15 hours ago (12 children)

baseball.

The average American could be expected to already know how to throw a baseball, so it was easier to change the equipment to fit the user than to train every fucking soldier how to throw a lopsided stick.

[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 hours ago

That's a reason for then not now.

Better question is then why didn't Germany stick with the old design instead of switching to more "modern" looking grenades?

And the answer is NOT "baseball". The answer is that they're too heavy and cumbersome. And the cons outweighs the pros.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

Is this why soldiers in the rest of the world kick their grenades like a soccer ball?

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 23 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

That and all the other reasons. The only stick grenades still around in appreciable numbers are anti-armor grenades where the handle has a parachute inside. For normal fragmentation grenades, essentially everyone has moved to non-stick grenades (except the USMC who want to make stick grenades).

Even in WW2, the Germans produced more of the boring looking Model 39 grenades than they did of the iconic and eye catching stick grenades. People notice what they want to notice.

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[–] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 19 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Too many people tried using them as hammers.

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 18 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

TNT filler is very stable. It's fine. I mean, the grenades would not be great as hammers, but they won't explode at a touch.

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 33 points 14 hours ago (1 children)
[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 12 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Wisest wizard gets weird in the marines

It's not weird if the whole squad contribute

[–] Tyfud@lemmy.world 51 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

I can carry 8 modern hand grenades, or 2 of those things.

[–] idunnololz@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

I'm pretty sure you can carry at least 3 of them

[–] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 28 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (3 children)

We should use those ball throwers for dogs. Imagine the distance you could get! Then you could have 8 normal grenades and throw them stupid distances.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

What a sick idea. You should always use balls to play fetch with dogs, grenades are way too expensive.

[–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 9 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Ooh good idea. While were at it, why not train some Jai Alai players to be grenadiers.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 hours ago

This needs to be a Spider-Man villain.

[–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 23 points 14 hours ago

An atlatl for grenades!

A splatlatl, if you will.

[–] TotalFat@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

aka potato masher

[–] rustyfish@lemmy.world 100 points 18 hours ago (12 children)
[–] idunnololz@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

Barbed for my pleasure uwu

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 34 points 15 hours ago

This destroys the butthole.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

Needs a spike on the handle for that lawn dart aesthetic

[–] noxy@yiffit.net 14 points 13 hours ago

count to ten

[–] HessiaNerd@lemmy.world 15 points 16 hours ago
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 24 points 18 hours ago

Ooh, bonus shrapnel!

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[–] yesman@lemmy.world 68 points 19 hours ago (16 children)

The Germans did have hand grenades without a stick. Their doctrine was the stick type was for offensive operations, and the little one was favored for defense.

I assume this has something to do with the distance you can throw them.

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 12 points 14 hours ago

Their doctrine was the stick type was for offensive operations

A minor addendum, the M24 and M43 stick grenades both had fragmentation sleeves produced for them. These could be quickly fitted over the grenades to change them from offensive to defensive grenades. Similar to the RGD-33 stick grenades used by the Soviets.

I assume this has something to do with the distance you can throw them.

The difference between offensive and defensive grenades is defined by how much fragmentation they produce. Without a fragmentation sleeve, a German stick grenade produces blast and concussion but very minimal fragmentation, making it's practical danger area smaller. This is good for an offensive grenade where the person throwing it likely has less cover than the person receiving it. A defensive grenade produces fragmentation, and is desired when the person throwing it has cover to hide behind safely.

The non-stick grenade commonly used by the Germans in WW2, was the Model 39 ("egg grenade"), and it actually came in both offensive and defensive flavors. So really, either a stick or egg grenade could be used for either role.

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 19 hours ago

Also they're way bigger, taking more space in storage and when in transport

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 54 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (2 children)

We have grenade launchers now.

Someone needs to make one that fires the stick grenades. At 3500 RPM.

[–] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 44 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

Once again NCD reinvents the bolter

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[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 21 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

>can give you pleasure

Are we saying blowing stuff up is fun, or telling you to go fuck yourself with a grenade?

[–] toynbee@lemmy.world 20 points 16 hours ago
[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 13 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Bcs electricians kept using them as hammers.

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[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 31 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

Can give you pleasure

Idk, the round ones do just fine for me, just a bit different form of pleasure.

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