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[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 8 points 58 minutes ago

The best class I took in college was an intercession course about the Vietnam War. We had to read an entire book pretty much every day, which was great prep for grad school.

I basically learned that the entire war was completely unjustified, it was horrific and brutal on both sides in ways that aren’t talked about, but that ultimately the United States had absolutely no business interfering. Vietnam had spent years under French colonial control, which they overthrew under their own power. They had already asserted a desire to rule themselves.

Tonkin was also a genuine false flag, which just isn’t acknowledged? We manufactured the cause for an extremely unpopular war. So many young man died or were disabled because of something that was pointless.

That class was first that really got me to question the patriotic narrative I was taught about American history in high school.

[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 1 points 24 minutes ago

the century of war between Berwick-upon-tweed and Russia

[–] bandwidthcrisis@lemmy.world 17 points 3 hours ago
[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 10 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

pfft. enlist when you're 18, you'll get a whole new war.

Don't you dare close your eyes.

[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 31 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

I'm the War on Christmas guy, and I'm getting my ass handed to me every single year.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

I'm the war on drugs guy and I... what was I talking about? Man, those brownies were strong! *strolls off*

[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

i’m the war on advent guy. you don’t know how nice you have it

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 21 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

WWIII nut here.

Get yourself a Red Cross emergency kit, a lot of water jugs, and ramen. You're underestimating your chances of survival and how much you'll want to.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

You’re underestimating your chances of survival and how much you’ll want to.

yes, you too can live out the remainder of your miserable days scrambling for rat meat in the irradiated future.

of course, the desire to live, to survive, overcomes a lot, but 'want to live' I think is stretching it a bit.

[–] Sergio@slrpnk.net 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I suspect what they're getting at is: there are a lot of scenarios other than "all out exchange between major powers", and when the fallout starts floating, you can either just hang out at home (and die of cancer in a year or two), or shelter in a basement for a week (and emerge to a troubled but liveable world.)

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

shelter in a basement for a week (and emerge to a troubled but liveable world.)

give this a read sometime. https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/748264/nuclear-war-by-annie-jacobsen/

I don't think anyone's going to hold up for a week then find the world very livable. even the areas not eradicated by direct strikes will suffer terribly from the food shortages and collapsing societies.

[–] Sergio@slrpnk.net 3 points 4 hours ago

I'm familiar with the extinction event scenarios, and agree that in some cases one may not find the world worth living in. I recommend Krepinevich's "7 Deadly Scenarios", a couple of those involve nuclear attacks. The sitations are comparable to the recent Covid pandemic: millions of people die, the world is subsequently scarred, but life goes on for most people. A bit of planning can make things less horrible and a lot of it overlaps with natural disaster.

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Mine just says WW15 and has a picture of a green tiger in space

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I bet we’re all space tigers by then

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

The War of the Tiger Kings.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I listened to Hardcore History's series on World War I in that window, so that was my assigned war of interest.

[–] ThePancake@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

This was me too. I probably listened through the "Blueprint for Armageddon" series three times. Never really found any other history podcast that piqued my interest nearly as much as that did.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I like that he’s very open about the fact that he’s not an expert/professional historian. He walks the line between storytelling and rigor pretty well for a pop historian. My favorite episode is the one about the Memnonite (edit: Anabaptist) rebellion that ended with corpses being left up for centuries.

[–] dan@upvote.au 6 points 7 hours ago

My favourite war was the War on Everything

[–] De_Narm@lemmy.world 162 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I've got class war, which is a real doozy.

[–] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 50 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Yooo same. Why the fuck don't these people just fuck off and relax? I can't imagine having that much money and still feeling like I have to go to work.

[–] themoken@startrek.website 19 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Because at some point after the first few million you turn into a dragon that must hoard wealth and the people that generate that wealth become a cost to minimize.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Barf, after my first few million they better be looking all over for me cause ima be peaced out to a 100 year vacation.

[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

When I'm a billionaire (and no longer temporarily embarrassed), I'm going to fund so much tasteless art. And by art I mean mostly pornography. But I'll hire the best advisors to make sure it's a classy positive influence on society.

[–] bunkyprewster@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

Napoleonic wars for this guy.

[–] squidman@lemmy.world 40 points 12 hours ago

Hell yeah, I got the Dominion War. Time for another DS9 rewatch.

[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 18 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

War of the Roses, winner of Best Named War ;)

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[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 14 points 10 hours ago (5 children)

I missed the memo. I am just generally anti war and don't like reading about them. War is all because of dickhead leaders that can't act decent, treat others right, or talk things out without being little insecure manbabies. And when manchildren in power have their big boi pp insulted they make the less powerful fight for them instead of doing anything respectful. Some rebellions which lead to wars are justified. Gotta stick it back to the empowered manchildren sometimes. But it all comes down to a shitty leader.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

It can be very valuable and interesting to study the surrounding context of a war. Military history with battles and kill counts and discussions of tactics is something I find boring af, but there are endless discussions to be had about how the causes of the American Civil War can be traced back to before even the Revolution and tracing the repercussions of the war all the way up through to current politics.

Think about how the Taiping Rebellion, which killed more than 20 million people, would have affected day to day life in 19th century China - which weakened China and rendered it more vulnerable to European powers. Think the Opium Wars. Think about how Hong Kong was just returned to China in 1999 - and all of the complexities that entailed.

Or how the World Wars depopulated Russia. You had a generation dead or traumatized. Russian alcoholism is usually treated as a joke - trauma can have intergenerational changes in genetic expression.

Wars also make excellent chronological signposts. I’ garbage at dates, but usually wars segment significant social/economic/cultural/blah/blah/blah changes that they help me keep events organized in my head.

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 hours ago

I think you missed the joke, it's not making a point about all wars being bad it's about middle aged dudes being obsessed with wars

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[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 18 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

WWI was objectively the most world changing and sets the stage for the entire modern era, if you squint WWII was just the Extended Edition of WWI all that being said WWIII was still my favorite.

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[–] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I can't be the only Ersalrope Wars buff here, right?

confused travolta meme, no text, transparent background

and who really can go more than a few hours without thinking about the Koinonian Wars?

still of Steve Zissou (Bill Murray) in The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou, removing swamp leeches from himself, with the caption "nobody else got hit? i'm the only one? what's the deal?"

[–] ODuffer@lemmy.world 36 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I participated in the war on drugs...

[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 21 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

On the winning side, I imagine.

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 2 hours ago

By winning, you meantaking copious amounts of drugs?

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 25 points 12 hours ago (1 children)
[–] essell@lemmy.world 12 points 10 hours ago

Don't let that obsession drag you down under.

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