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[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 18 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The best class I took in college was an intercession course about the Vietnam War. We had to read an entire book pretty much every day, which was great prep for grad school.

I basically learned that the entire war was completely unjustified, it was horrific and brutal on both sides in ways that aren’t talked about, but that ultimately the United States had absolutely no business interfering. Vietnam had spent years under French colonial control, which they overthrew under their own power. They had already asserted a desire to rule themselves.

Tonkin was also a genuine false flag, which just isn’t acknowledged? We manufactured the cause for an extremely unpopular war. So many young man died or were disabled because of something that was pointless.

That class was first that really got me to question the patriotic narrative I was taught about American history in high school.

[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 2 points 38 minutes ago

Of course we can't acknowledge it, because then we can't make the same "mistake" again and people will start questioning real causus belli like saddams WMDs which we'll find any day now.

[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 4 points 2 hours ago

the century of war between Berwick-upon-tweed and Russia

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Sweet! I got Star Wars!

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world -4 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

Ah... remember when England decided they owned an island that was located inside the territorial waters of another country?

[–] Senshi@lemmy.world 10 points 1 hour ago

You will have to be a lot more specific when talking about the British Empire...

[–] Neon@lemmy.world 1 points 4 minutes ago

c/foundtheargentinian

[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 7 points 54 minutes ago

I hope you're not trying to refer to the one that's 200 miles from Argentina because that would be hilarious.

[–] bandwidthcrisis@lemmy.world 23 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Klear@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

Pretty sure they made a video game series about that.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 13 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

pfft. enlist when you're 18, you'll get a whole new war.

[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 37 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

I'm the War on Christmas guy, and I'm getting my ass handed to me every single year.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

I'm the war on drugs guy and I... what was I talking about? Man, those brownies were strong! *strolls off*

[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago

i’m the war on advent guy. you don’t know how nice you have it

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 24 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

WWIII nut here.

Get yourself a Red Cross emergency kit, a lot of water jugs, and ramen. You're underestimating your chances of survival and how much you'll want to.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 8 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

You’re underestimating your chances of survival and how much you’ll want to.

yes, you too can live out the remainder of your miserable days scrambling for rat meat in the irradiated future.

of course, the desire to live, to survive, overcomes a lot, but 'want to live' I think is stretching it a bit.

[–] Sergio@slrpnk.net 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I suspect what they're getting at is: there are a lot of scenarios other than "all out exchange between major powers", and when the fallout starts floating, you can either just hang out at home (and die of cancer in a year or two), or shelter in a basement for a week (and emerge to a troubled but liveable world.)

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

shelter in a basement for a week (and emerge to a troubled but liveable world.)

give this a read sometime. https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/748264/nuclear-war-by-annie-jacobsen/

I don't think anyone's going to hold up for a week then find the world very livable. even the areas not eradicated by direct strikes will suffer terribly from the food shortages and collapsing societies.

[–] Sergio@slrpnk.net 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I'm familiar with the extinction event scenarios, and agree that in some cases one may not find the world worth living in. I recommend Krepinevich's "7 Deadly Scenarios", a couple of those involve nuclear attacks. The sitations are comparable to the recent Covid pandemic: millions of people die, the world is subsequently scarred, but life goes on for most people. A bit of planning can make things less horrible and a lot of it overlaps with natural disaster.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 59 minutes ago)

I think you may misunderstand. <edit or I'm misreading your replies>

Jacob's book covers an all in exchange. everyone goes max. very little in the northern hemisphere would survive. a bit of planning, all the planning in the world - neither will save you when each side is maximizing the amount of fallout with ground strikes with megaton weapons.

the 'lucky' folk in the southern hemisphere will just have to wait until the after effects catch up to them.

Jacob's scenario is megadeaths to gigadeaths - literally a billion dead directly (flash/blast/etc) and multiple billions dead shortly after. Krepinevich's scenario is a few terrorists with tactical weapons.

these are wildly different things.

<edit I don't think you're meaning to downplay the seriousness of any kind of major nuclear exchange, but just underestimating how seriously civilization ending it is>

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[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I listened to Hardcore History's series on World War I in that window, so that was my assigned war of interest.

[–] ThePancake@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

This was me too. I probably listened through the "Blueprint for Armageddon" series three times. Never really found any other history podcast that piqued my interest nearly as much as that did.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

I like that he’s very open about the fact that he’s not an expert/professional historian. He walks the line between storytelling and rigor pretty well for a pop historian. My favorite episode is the one about the Memnonite (edit: Anabaptist) rebellion that ended with corpses being left up for centuries.

[–] De_Narm@lemmy.world 171 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

I've got class war, which is a real doozy.

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[–] squidman@lemmy.world 42 points 14 hours ago

Hell yeah, I got the Dominion War. Time for another DS9 rewatch.

[–] dan@upvote.au 6 points 10 hours ago

My favourite war was the War on Everything

[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 20 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

War of the Roses, winner of Best Named War ;)

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

The Great Emu War would like a word.

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[–] bunkyprewster@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago

Napoleonic wars for this guy.

[–] ODuffer@lemmy.world 37 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I participated in the war on drugs...

[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 23 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

On the winning side, I imagine.

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 4 hours ago

By winning, you meantaking copious amounts of drugs?

[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 18 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

WWI was objectively the most world changing and sets the stage for the entire modern era, if you squint WWII was just the Extended Edition of WWI all that being said WWIII was still my favorite.

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