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Republican efforts to impeach President Joe Biden suffered a blow after fresh evidence emerged showing his bid to remove Ukrainian Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin in 2015 represented U.S. government policy.

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[–] BURN@lemmy.world 347 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It’s almost like the whole thing is a politically motivated false impeachment to try to discredit Trump being impeached twice. They only want to impeach Biden because they can then point and say “Biden was impeached too, it means nothing”

[–] Zink@programming.dev 133 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Premeditated whataboutism. Because that’s a great use of resources to benefit the country.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 63 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Premeditated whataboutism. Because that’s a great use of resources to benefit the country.

This engine runs on bullshit.

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

The only renewable resource Republicans care about.

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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Oh just wait til you see how they allocate those resources if they ever fully seize power again.

[–] IMongoose@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We made the government too expensive so we have added middle men to all the formerly public services. This will surely reduce costs and not directly line our pockets.

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[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not just premeditated; more like engineered.

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[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

buttery males

[–] riskable@programming.dev 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

It's a bit more urgent than that: The GOP knows they're about to lose their majority in the house so this is the only chance they'll get to do something like an impeachment. If they put it off any longer they'll run out of time while the investigation committee follows a normal (intentionally slowed by opposition) congressional schedule. They know that the whole exercise will be pointless if they can't get it done now because doing it any later will result in the investigation committee having nothing to report in time for the next election.

More importantly: They have no other ideas. They literally have no other bills or even inklings of an idea as to how to grab America's attention in anything resembling a positive or even neutral light. They lost abortion as a wedge issue now that Roe V Wade was overturned so the GOP is basically out of ideas because while they love to hate immigrants and LGBTQ people they don't have any politically useful legislation to bring up before the next election. Nothing they can pass to say, "see? We did something and the Democrats in the Senate blocked it!"

[–] fadingembers@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't worry, they're loading up every spending bill they can with bans for trans care.
From Erin Reed:

One of the many sticking points are provisions in the budget bill that target trans people in the military, hospitals that care for trans youth, trans health insurance, and VA trans care.

Republicans will down the government, in at least some small part, over trans panic.

[–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

And the military, thanks to Tooberville

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[–] RojoSanIchiban@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

All the GOP knows how to do is stroke Trump's pathetic ego.

Well, that, and their date while watching a musical, I guess.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 157 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It cant fall apart, cause it never had any structure to begin with. It was a pile of bullshit from the very beginning.

Its all political theater to try to make Biden look as corrupt as Trump, and in desperation to find anything that will stick before the next election cycle.

[–] NounsAndWords@lemmy.world 70 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Doesn't even need to make him look corrupt, it reinforces "impeachment is just political theater" and makes Trump's impeachment(s) retroactively more normalized.

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[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 94 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Link to the document .

I'm always a big fan of primary sources to avoid any political spin. Looking at this doc it's 100% clear that the State department was calling for Shokin's removal and was instructing Biden on how to frame the conversation. Seems pretty clear cut.

With that being said, I am 100% confident that this will have no impact on House Republican plans to pursue impeachment.

[–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago

With that being said, I am 100% confident that this will have no impact on House Republican plans to pursue impeachment.

they've never been the kind of folks who let evidence and facts get in the way

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[–] WorldWideLem@lemmy.world 75 points 1 year ago

Not just US interests, but European and Ukrainian interests as well. There was a multi-national effort to remove Shokin. You think Joe Biden orchestrated all of that to get his son a cushy board membership? It's laughable.

[–] WorldieBoi@lemmy.world 69 points 1 year ago (1 children)

GOP: Let's impeach the government then!

[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 69 points 1 year ago (3 children)

So anyway I started impeachin'

[–] rbhfd@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Can I offer you a nice ~~egg~~ pardon in this trying time?

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[–] snownyte@kbin.social 66 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Of course it would. This is simply just retaliation from the GOP because their glorious former "leader" was impeached like, twice.

[–] leaskovski@kbin.social 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be fair, Trump would probably turn around and say that he was impeached more times than Joe.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.one 61 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is immediately obvious to anyone who followed the timeline of events.

Removing Shokin didn't STOP the Burisma investigation. It allowed it to move forward! Shokin was the guy slow-walking it.

https://www.justsecurity.org/66271/timeline-trump-giuliani-bidens-and-ukrainegate/

[–] Whiskey_iicarus@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

Just irrelevant details to people who were never looking for the truth in the first place

[–] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I spent MONTHS saying that on every subreddit I could find. It's baffling to me why that never sunk in with even the casual observers of Trump's impeachment. It's like putting a spoon full of food in a toddler's mouth and watching it ooze out because they still don't even realize it's there.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Doesn't matter, Fox has their ~~talking~~ yelling point. That's all they ever wanted.

[–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago

Their idiot viewers will take this as a continuation of a massive conspiracy against trump. Either way, this will still be a victory for the GQP at large. It’s impossible to reason with those that argue in bad faith.

[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

“suffered a blow”

boebert still on board

[–] OldFartPhil@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The entire Freedumb Caucus is still on board. The "shocking" revelation that Biden hasn't committed any impeachable acts isn't going to deter the GQP at all.

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[–] GreenPlasticSushiGrass@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago (7 children)

She's stongest on her knees, or so she says.

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[–] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

Dear Republicans: how does Democracy's dick taste?

[–] admiralteal@kbin.social 32 points 1 year ago

This isn't new information. It was already well-understood and discussed that Biden was simply following State Dept. directives on this and that it had nothing to do with Hunter or even his own preferences.

It also isn't a blow to the impeachment at all. They'll likely follow through anyway even if there is literally no probable cause. Even if there isn't even a pretend crime to name. Because there's one huge similarity between the Trump impeachments and the Biden impeachment: the basis is that Republicans are scofflaws that will do whatever they want to get what they want.

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

Come on, now. This whole thing reeks of desperation and petty grudge.

[–] genoxidedev1@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago

It falling apart would require it ever having built up. There was nothing to fall apart here.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They’re going to move forward with it. This has nothing to do with facts. It’s all about using impeachment to gain a political leg up if you have the votes.

The Fox and OAN viewers will be sheltered from the facts.

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[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’d say the damage is done regardless because their entire political party is based on a smoke and mirror show designed for the purpose of redirecting their voting base away from anything then shows them in a negative light.

All then need to do is place the idea of something scary and distracting in their voters empty brains, and the idiots will become so obsessed with it they’d be willing to commit crimes to stop it, ie: Jan 6th.

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[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

“Of course it was official policy. The deep state was protecting Hunter.”

I’ll take my corner office at World News Corp. and Hannity’s spot now, thank you

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The House Oversight Committee will hold the first hearing on the impeachment inquiry into President Joe Biden on Sept. 28, CNBC reports.

[–] Ertebolle@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Democrats should turn it into a circus and spend the whole hearing mocking Jordan over locker rooms / Gaetz over pool boys / etc; if they end up getting kicked out of the room or even censured, they can high-five each other and laugh it off. There's no reason to treat a cheap political stunt with anything resembling respect or seriousness.

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