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According to many comments, the US government DOES use SQL, and Musk is not understanding much what's going on.

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[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 179 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (13 children)

You know, the thing that always seemed really scary about the OG Nazis is that they were competent, intelligent, put-together people that were just fucking evil. Then you look at the US Nazis and the fucking bozo density is off the charts, but they seem to be succeeding anyway.

Three possibilities come to mind:

  • These bozos are going to find out, hard and soon.
  • The OG Nazis were actually bozos too.
  • Competence and intelligence doesn't actually matter in running a fascist regime
[–] ShawiniganHandshake@sh.itjust.works 173 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The OG Nazis were actually bozos too, they just had very good propaganda. So good that you're still seeing the effects today.

[–] CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world 61 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They were more competent bozos. They ran Germany the way that your stupid friend gets laid more often because they aren’t smart enough to be embarrassed by themselves and they know only one goal.

Whereas these guys run America like an ugly stupid person that insists that no, actually, they have already in fact convinced you to sleep with them despite what your words say and the goal is to confuse you into bed.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 day ago

The best decision that nazis ever made was not to indiscriminately purge the military and bureaucracy. Purges certainly did happen but they were focused on the political class and very targeted elsewhere.

They kept the systems people depended on running well to not immediately create massive public backlash... they also got lucky as hell. The military and populace were deeply bitter after WW1 and they leveraged grand gestures to great effect while changing relatively little administratively. The fucks in the US are making flaccid grand gestures while tearing down systems people actually depend on.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Is it also a case of survivorship bias? Like, I am not super versed in Nazi history, but... There are famous "smart" Nazis like Goebbels and Himmler and Speer - are they only well known because a) they slowly emerged as influential and/or b) it became clear years later that they were the ones behind the wheel?

'Cause I do think that trump and musk are dumb as bricks, but I don't think Steve Bannon is, and there are probably others like him..

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] freebee@sh.itjust.works 2 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

I'm no expert, but this podcast series seems to suggest Von Braun was mainly very focused on shooting rockets to the moon and fiddling the right guys to get crazy amounts of funding for that goal. I'm not saying he wasn't a nazi, he was, but exterminating jews etc was probably not his mean focus in life... In the Von Braun case it was propaganda towards his own leaders, to get lots of money. The reason he's well remembered is not propaganda but because what he tried actually worked out very well and was the basis for pretty much every rocket since. If he'ld happen to live in Soviet Russia, he would probably have become a member of the communist party, whatever would get him more money/free labor for shooting new trials towards space.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago

Stalin had a nasty habit of putting some of his best designers into gulags. Von Braun probably would have ended up in one of them.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/04/19/the-space-race-began-with-16000-nazi-prisoners-slaving-away-on-wernher-von-brauns-v-2-rockets/

Stop carrying water for Nazis, liberal.

Even fucking Forbes thinks it makes you a clown.

Von Braun had a choice where he went to go. He chose the state with segregation and not the one with your "infinite labor supply" that beat America into orbit because he was a fucking Nazi.

[–] parody@lemmings.world 1 points 1 day ago

🤔 💭

What got President Musk & his sidekick elected, or rather what made their campaign successful?

Low IQ but high emotional intelligence or like sociopathic intelligence?

[–] NaevaTheRat@vegantheoryclub.org 77 points 1 day ago (1 children)

the OG Nazis were dumb as bricks lmao. Weird nerds with massive egos half of which believed in magic.

[–] Whateley@lemm.ee 43 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hitler and Himmler believed in "World Ice Theory" which was put forth by some German crackpot who stated the base matter of all reality was ice.

[–] borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Every German person I’ve ever met talks so confidently about shit that you just kinda assume they know what they’re talking about, until they start talking about a domain you’re an expert in and you realize they’re actually kinda dumb but with good vocabulary.

Oh, Redditors. That explains ich_iels popularity per capita.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's absolutely the second one. They basically all had brain damage from ww1 (who knew explosions are bad for you) and several of them including Hitler were drugged the fuck up. Julius Streicher was a clown, but not like a funny or sad clown, more like pathetic, like honestly comparable to someone from 8chan. Goebbels was a creepy loser. Hitler was a meth addict with ibs and anger issues who spent his last days just destroying the air quality of the bunker he would die in and kept invading countries despite already being at war. Heidrich died by personally chasing after antifascists who happened to have a grenade. And that's not touching on their archeological or spiritual beliefs which are on par with qanon for believability and sensibility

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 10 points 1 day ago

Yep, the actual competence was basically in the army (inherited from a long military tradition), so it's important that those generals don't cave.

[–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Heidrich died by personally chasing after antifascists who happened to have a grenade.

That's a fucked up way to describe the assassination.

[–] AGreenPurple@lemmynsfw.com 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just look at the military decisions Hitler made, that was luckily an incompetent guy thinking he's smarter than everyone else. That rings a bell, doesn't it?

In the long run, making less stupid decisions wouldn't most likely have changed the outcome, but even more people would likely have died (and unfortunately the people executing the murder of the Jews weren't as incompetent as their glorious leader).

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 5 points 1 day ago

A lot of behaviour in politics is emotionally driven, and sustained by the lazyness of voters not learning how the system they live in works.

If anything, I think this requires more emotional intelligence and perhaps acting skills.

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 50 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The nazis weren't as competent and intelligent as you suggest, that work was outsourced to IBM - Yes, that IBM.

You know that Watson product that IBM sells and advertises so often? R one that plays chess and was on jeopardy (Fun!) Turns out that Watson was the name of the dude that signed off on them accelerating the Holocaust for the nazis. Some believe the nazis couldn't have been nearly as efficient at unrepentant large scale murder without IBM joining the fray, yet they skate on by...

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

The very first hacker purposely damaged the contact that read the value that stored if a citizen was Jewish on the punch cards of census data in occupied France (if I'm remembering correctly) it's not known how many he saved but he did pay the ultimate price and died in the concentration camps for his sabotage efforts

Edit: my memory was close. René Carmille specifically delayed the June 1941 report on the numbers of Jewish citizens and foreigners so that it still wasn't complete by the time of his ultimate arrest in 1944, and utilized his position to create extremely real fake identities for escaping refugees amongst other resistance actions

[–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 32 points 1 day ago

OG Nazis were looking for aryans in Tibet.

[–] LePoisson@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hopefully all 3 but as the other poster said, Nazis really were clowns.

Sure, Hitler had some early successes militarily - combined arms blitzkrieg was a new deal and effective - but it's not like that won the war. Besides which there is just so much dumbass occult bullshit going on in the background with the Nazis like you would not believe.

You don't need to be smart or super competent to get a bunch of people killed. You just need enough people willing to pull the triggers and for the rest of the people to go along. Going along is easy until it ends with shit like the Holocaust.

[–] zurohki@aussie.zone 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Going along is easy until it ends with shit like the Holocaust.

Have you seen the reactions every time someone suggests it'd be nice if Israel stopped shooting people and taking their land? We're pro-genocide now.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

to be fair, the israeli palestine conflict is significantly longer running than anything that the germans managed, and so far, hasn't killed 6 million people, so there's that.

Part of the problem is that it's really really difficult to see the magnitude of the issue until the dust has settled, part of the reason we know how many people died in the holocaust is due to the work of various jewish archivists/historians that have spent decades crawling through information trying to piece together what they can, paired with the reasonably meticulous documentation that the germans were known for. (though i can't confirm that one)

Up until we practically landed boots IN germany, we didn't really have any idea what was going on, that's part of why it took so long for anything to be done.

Thankfully it's 2024 and we have modern technology, so you can't exactly just "hide" things like genocide anymore, it's a lot more apparent.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Up until we practically landed boots IN germany, we didn’t really have any idea what was going on, that’s part of why it took so long for anything to be done

There were people who specifically got themselves arrested to observe conditions within the concentration camps and then escape because some reports of conditions were too unbelievable

There were people who specifically got themselves arrested to observe conditions within the concentration camps and then escape because some reports of conditions were too unbelievable

literally makes my point for me lol

[–] zurohki@aussie.zone 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not 2024, and the inability to hide things has apparently just made it more blatant when we decide to ignore genocide.

lmao yeah it is 2025 now, still stuck in last years shit i guess lol.

Anyway.

and the inability to hide things has apparently just made it more blatant when we decide to ignore genocide.

yeah, you would think with how easy it would be to expose and report genocide, that if genocide were happening everybody would immediately know about it and be worried about, and move to do things to prevent it.

[–] josefo@leminal.space 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

OG Nazis were master manipulators, dressed cool as fuck and their propaganda machine was one of the best ever. Intelligent? There is no hard evidence of that, and their military strategies were poorly thought. They had fucking cool weapons and equipment, so maybe good engineers were involved, but that's it.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

Our Nazis have way less style

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

OG Nazis were bozos. They advanced people based on the shape of their face. How exactly do you think that would turn out in the long run?

Here's Lazerpig dissecting the myth of Michael Wittmann for example.

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

I think some of the more intelligent US Nazis are letting the bozos do their thing and riding the coat-tails and avoiding direct blame if things turn. I'm looking at a good chunk of the House and Senate.

[–] aspensmonster@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 day ago

You know, the thing that always seemed really scary about the OG Nazis is that they were competent, intelligent, put-together people that were just fucking evil. Then you look at the US Nazis and the fucking bozo density is off the charts, but they seem to be succeeding anyway.

Not every fascist and Nazi needed to be competent, intelligent, and put-together. Just enough of them. I suppose we'll find out in real-time if they have amassed sufficient numbers this go 'round.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

All 3 of those. Yes.

[–] m532@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 day ago

The OG Nazis were actually bozos too.