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I’ll start:

Idaho - when people think “racism in the United States” their minds go to the Deep South. The Deep South is absolutely pretty bad, and there’s of course the whole history with the confederacy so it makes sense that’s what we think of, but Idaho is let off the hook way too much given that it’s a hotbed of Nazis and Christian nationalists trying to form a white ethnostate. Idaho needs to be more closely linked to virulent racism like the Deep South currently is. And tbh I’ve been to the Deep South, I like it down there, it’s actually pretty diverse in many areas, if I had to live there it wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. You couldn’t pay me to set foot in Idaho.

Gen X - look, if we’re gonna do generational warfare gen x needs a lot more hate. Sorry to any xers out there but boomers have been punching bags for a while, millenials are starting to get a good amount of hate, and they’ve always been made fun of for their Harry Potter and office love, tbh a lot of millennial shit is just considered cringe these days, gen z obviously gets all the “ugh what’s wrong with the youth” hate and this new media cycle has them being portrayed as pretty much the new hitler youth. Gen x needs to start getting some more hate, especially now with all these weird gen x venture capitalists influencing the trump admin trying to realize their vision of a neo fascist network state

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[–] someone@hexbear.net 45 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Firefly, for three reasons.

One, the "heroic" war veteran crew were basically US civil war Confederates.

Two, Whedon's sexpest behaviour during production.

Three, it cemented Whedonistic dialog into pop culture.

[–] CptKrkIsClmbngThMntn@hexbear.net 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Four, they all speak Mandarin because of some historic cultural amalgamation, but there's not a single Asian person on the crew (or in the show that I can remember)

[–] Euergetes@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

this one is so deeply strange to me, like they made it up it's not a real existing cultural appropriation so why would people so uncomfortable with chinese people choose for that to be the thing? they could've chosen other languages plausibly white or adjacent that'd still indicate the cosmopolitan space culture

My armchair analysis is that it's a common theme in futuristic space media to show that the Earth is much more united now that there are other worlds with which to fight, form tenuous alliances, etc. China is the biggest, most distant Other, so merging them into the American melting pot in your lore is the strongest way to make that point.

If two political bodies that were once very distinct in the past are now just provinces in a single nation, the cheapest way to extend that pattern into the future is to do what they did. It's a bit cliché but I wouldn't consider it the worst writing sin in the world if they had just made the characters and casting reflect that.

Side note: across Firefly and Dollhouse, there aren't that many black characters either, and a uncomfortably large proportion of them are villains.

[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 day ago

i think it might have taken the place of 80s media being all "everything is going to be Japanese" after Japan's bubble burst and the PRC was (more visibly) on the rise

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 22 points 1 day ago

Three, it cemented Whedonistic dialog into pop culture.

I feel like The Avengers is more responsible for cementing it into culture, but yeah, I have no desire to revisit Firefly despite liking it when I first watched it.

[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Speaker@hexbear.net 21 points 1 day ago

Does that mean quipless dialogue is anwhedonic?

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

One, the "heroic" war veteran crew were basically US civil war Confederates.

What?

[–] Crucible@hexbear.net 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In the audio commentary of the pilot episode (it's been 10,000 years so might be a different episode) Whedon talks about the war being space US Civil War and Mal is inspired by the confederate soldiers who went west after the war because the inner planets = manufacturing power and center of government like the north, and outer planets = agrarians who are having their 'rights' trampled like the south. Obviously it's a prime time show from 2001 written entirely by white people so there's no discussion of slavery, the closest it gets is one episode does feature an outer planet guy who 'owns' people via their debts to him

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago

I'll be damned

[–] someone@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There's a whole lot of dogwhistle language that "Confederate history buffs" would recognize. For example, how Mal occasionally talks about his side rising again.

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago

I think that's less dogwhistle and more Whedon is just a bit stupid. It's very bog standard evil sleek shiny empire vs. ragtag bunch of loveable misfits, more in line with Star Wars. The entire crew is way too progressive, excluding Jayne who is explicitly the asshole, for them to be reactionary US confederates.