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Majority of Australians think China will be world’s most powerful country by 2035, poll finds
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What makes the US the most powerful country in the world? It's our cultural exports, our educational institutions, and our technology. We spent decades handing all our technology over to China, and undermining education. Now Trump has poisoned the American brand for at least a generation.
China is way ahead on building a science and technology culture, and promoting education. The dividends from those investments are already paying off, and they are going to start compounding.
A lot of Americans still think of China as the place to make cheap goods, but their manufacturing sector has benefited from decades of stolen expertise. It turns out there are benefits from having engineers and factory workers in the same location. Faster feedback means faster development. Now the US is falling behind.
The biggest problem with China is that they are Authoritarian.
That is in fact their greatest strength and the primary reason why our usual strategies for undermining our political & economic rivals don't work on them. Sitting back and allowing shit to fall apart because "freedom" is moronic, just look at what the US has turned into for a perfect example.
That is indeed a problem but, speaking strictly about competitiveness, it does have it's advantages. For example, the US really needs more strategically important goods to be manufactured at home, but that is really hard to do if market conditions favor offshoring. China can just dictate the sourcing - even in the (so called) private sector.
Completely agree. Also it's not really "stolen expertise" as wetern companies and capitalist countries given it away willingly in exchange for cheap manufacturing. They just never expected China to take advantage of it to compete on a global market.
I don't think they really cared if China took advantage of it. America's CEOs are only invested in the next few quarters, at best. Something that might take a decade or two is entirely not relevant to their planning and actions.
I mostly agree however you are showing some serious racism when you say they "stole" anything. Do typu really believe the people that invented gun powder cannot innovate?
China doesn't respect intellectual property
Not something worth respecting in the first place
Except it is since Chinese companies take US tech and flood the market with cheaper shittier versions. If you are a startup avoid China like the plague. Even Intel had a bunch of there stuff stolen.
Fixed it for you. The west barely even makes industrial products. At best western companies assembles parts ordered from China, or designs them but has them produced in china (obviously the factory manufacturing your designs will find out what the design is!)
On top of that, in many cases, western companies in china are literally signing explicit technology transfer contracts to work in china.
Even when the Chinese steal western designs (a fear that is completely overblown and mostly just corporate propaganda against market competitors), that is actually a good thing because IP is a plague upon humanity.
That's good news.
If their versions were actually shittier we wouldn't be losing as badly as we are, you're verifiably wrong and it comes off as racist
A US based company may foolishly get a contract with a Chinese manufacturer to make a specific part or product based on a spec. Said manufacturer then takes the designs and starts making them as their own. They often reduce cost by making the product with less material so that it lasts a shorter amount of time. In the tech landscape Chinese manufacturers have been known to steal software for devices without any attribution to the source. It ruins startups and harms the economy and the environment. Not all Chinese companies do this but some due without any reproductions.
It isn't "racist" as this has nothing to do with race. The core problem is the government of China not enforcing international copyright law. I don't disagree that copyright can and has been abused in many places. However, it is still needed. Even copyleft depends on copyright.
Cool story, can't help noticing it's entirely unsubstantiated though. Again, if Chinese manifacturing quality was actually that much lower consistently than American manifacturing we wouldn't be losing.
I listened to a podcast (Dithering; it’s subscription based) talking about a book about Apple’s manufacturing operations in China. The distinction was that other companies guarded because their techniques would be stolen, whereas Apple focused on “we’re gonna teach you to do this,” which then proliferated to other companies. We wouldn’t have semi-affordable (depending on your situation) iPhones otherwise. They be impossible to build at scale. Really eye opening.
The ep was the second one last week, if you wanna listen.
Yes we would, they'd just have to lower their ridiculously high profit margins: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/30/apples-gross-margin-hits-record-as-services-business-keeps-growing.html
Apple's huge profit margins are only possible because of the scale of their operations in China. They're moving to India and Vietnam. It remains to be seen how that will work out. China has been building expertise in manufacturing for decades. My statement stands.
What are your “cultural exports”?
Movies, fast food chains, clothing chains, etc. The American brand and lifestyle that goes with it. Not exactly the greatest cultural achievements of all time, but they brought in cash.
Capitalism isn’t culture.
Correct, the clothes and movies and music are the culture
Can you name an aspect that is USA specific?
Are you completely culturally illiterate?
You have a wrong concept of what is culture
Are you trying to tell me capitalism is culture?
Culture is what defines a society, so make of that what you want.
I can get down with that…
I can't speak for the rest of the world, but in Serbia 90% of TV shows and movies are American, and generally people watch primarily American movies/series online and in cinemas. Most people listen to American music and use English words in daily conversation. Most are familiar with things like 9/11, Vietnam, 4th of July, Woodstock, hippies etc.
A lot of younger people are more familiar with American history, topics, movies and music than their own culture. I'm not saying it's good, but Americans have an undeniably strong cultural influence, at least in Europe.
Yes, but what is uniquely USA? It’s US Defaultism.
What did you write this comment on?
I’m gonna skip a step…Nothing invented by USAian, no I won’t be elaborating or entertaining your delusions with further discussion. Search engines are your friend.
So, let me guess, a Zuse Z1?
Bitch please. Trump is far from the only reason people hate the USA. Especially after they used the Internet as a trojan horse to launch mass surveillance upon the entire globe.