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This is a followup to @SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 's recent thread for completeness' sake.
I'll state an old classic that is seen as a genre defining game because it is: Myst. Yes, it redefined the genre... in ways I fucking hated and that the adventure game genre took decades to fully recover from. It was a pompous mess in its presentation and was the worst kind of "doing action does vague thing or nothing at all, where is your hint book" puzzle gameplay wrapped in graphical hype which ages pretty poorly as far as appeal qualities go.
So many adventure games tried to be Myst afterward that the sheer budgetary costs and redundancy of the also-rans crashed the adventure game genre for years.
i don't like any of the soulsbourne series
the controls felt godawful on both mouse and keyboard and controller
and i like hard games too, so it's a shame
Agreed. I like my controls to be snappy and responsive, and Dark Souls... was not that.
I agree, and I'm sure you can relate to this but I'm afraid to say so around other game devs.
A counter example to the series I always give is that I really love pretty much all Mega Man games, almost all of which are considered very difficult like Souls games are, but the controls are snappy, the UI is clean, and you always know what you're doing, or at least trying to do ~~except for Battle Network holy shit the backtracking is brutal~~
Have your tried bloodborne?
Nope! I don't really like the aesthetic very much, but I think I owe it to myself to try it out anyway.
I do like some games which are similar in style, Like Monster Hunter and Furi for example, so it's not like I hate the whole concept of a challenging game with big animation-lock and tough boss fights. I do wanna try Sekiro also.
My main issue with that series is that it made not respecting a player's time a game mechanic. Make a hard boss? Cool, no problem. Make it so if I die against said boss I have to go farm healing materials? Go fuck yourself.
I find myself enjoying Armored Core 6 way more because it follows the conventional mission structure and if you die in a boss you just reload at a checkpoint with all your shit.
But even then, the game won't let you save and quit at a checkpoint on PC, so fuck me if I'm at the boss check point and need to switch off the PC to run an errand.
Yeah I tried Elden Ring for a good 20 hours, but I see absolutely no reason for the mechanic of having to go back to your body to get the XP, and if you die along the way it's all gone. What gameplay purpose does that serve?
If you’re actually curious: the purpose it serves is to instill a weight in and fear of death for the player. The goal is to make you more tense when pushing farther from your last checkpoint.
That’s the idea, at least.
If you can't get into it, you can’t get into it
I never could get into Bloodbourne and I hit a wall in Sekiro that I just can’t get past, sometimes a game just doesn't feel right to you and I completely get that
Not trying to rage at you but if I am it's because you have a history of implying everyone who likes those games is part of the toxic part of the fandom, which you're also doing now almost like you prepared for this and the whole thread was
that I fell for
You can feel that way if you want, but I stand by this incident being an overreaction to me making mentioning "Prepare To Die" marketing language in a non-reverential way.
Do you mean the input queuing? I like them but alw found the aggressive input queueing made the game feel shit sometimes.
mostly yeah, it felt pretty heavy compared to other games
That's cos it is heavy, the game will queue inputs for over an entire second it's crazy. I think I would have enjoyed dark souls 3 more if it didn't have the aggressive input queueing
I mean, my understanding is that that's deliberate. You're not really supposed to be able to just sweep bad inputs under the rug with cancels & stuff. Sometimes, you just make the wrong call & get your ass kicked because of it.
The input queuing is by design, it's supposed to make you pay more attention to attack telegraphs and the move sets of bosses since you can't just cancel an attack into a dodge.
Yeah, I understand the design intent, I just don't like it. To me it makes the game feel unresponsive and clunky.
Ok, I get that.
Imho I feel it helps to add weight to attacks that a lot of RPGs are missing but I can see why you wouldn't like it.