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Arguing for indigenous sovereignty with other settlers
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It is sort of understandable that someone unfamiliar with landback but familiar with the fact that literally all the land in the Americas belonged to Native Americans would completely misinterpret what landback means of you dont specify that returning large amounts of public land is all that has to mean, and that it actually does not mean returning all of the stolen land. Also helps that one of the comments under this comment will be a picture of Hans Moleman from the Simpsons and "I was saying it"
Edit: oh somebody already posted it lmao
Returning public lands in the capitalist system would just mean that the corporations will strong arm the tribes to exploit the land unfortunately
This has actually happened before
That's gonna be true in pretty much all circumstances, but at least they'd be positioned to get their slice of the pie (coup of the new indigenous government incoming ofc)
Yeah they just coup the government or bribe people, its very common. Very rare for the average tribe citizen to get anything out of it
Part of this rests on tribal leadership. Granted they do a much better job than america given their resources, ie primarily the casinos. They have enough for subsidized education and healthcare for tribe members. It's usually not what you'd call great though. As you say, the average tribe citizen sees very little of the profit. Most of it stays in the casinos with the council or whoever's running the board. It's almost like the forces of capital corrupt any power structure they come in contact with.
The fuck do you mean that's gonna be true under pretty much all circumstances? 'Get their slice of the pie' this is capitalist mentality. The exceptional circumstances are the revolution, brother.
What I mean is there's currently no revolutionary movement in the United States, as much as I'd love to see it.
There is a very real revolutionary spirit that you will only see if you go to these places and talk to the people there. Like out at Pine Ridge.
Of course if you're just some random white person, they probably aren't going trust talking to you about any of that. I had the enormous privilege of being invited into discussions and places that I absolutely never would have if it were not for being there as Sungmanitu's guest and the fact that I have a history of supporting their struggle including familial ties.
They have been preparing for such an inevitability for a very long time, they are just waiting for the white proletariat to be ready to follow them.
The spirit is there. The movement is not, at this time.
It is there you just aren't looking for it.
I don't mean this to come off as condescending, my recent trip out there was very eye opening.
I'd be interested to hear more, if you know of a resource or article thats representative of your experience
At work will when I get home
idk man I see class consciousness building. It's drowned out by all the other shit most of the time, and that's by design, but it's happening. The Overton window is getting spread wide open like a gaping asshole. The bottom is falling out of the capitalist social contract, people are getting hungry. All the usual suspects are lined up to take the blame, but the old narratives don't go down quite the way they used to. There's a lot of balkanized fascism that has to be addressed. Maybe it'll take something on the scale of russia in WWI, but it's coming. We are living in the most interesting of times
Well, under our system the capitalists would do that even if the Native Americans got the whole continent. If the land gets taken over by a bunch of megalandlords we can help them overthrow that system if they ask for our help, same as anyone
Sounds like we need a better system.
A bunch of megalandlords have taken over the land right now, no one's overthrown them yet.
I checked out landback's youtube. Don't get me wrong, the existance of Mt. Rushmore is a slap in the face to anyone who holds the black hills sacred, and indigenous people generally. I just don't believe it's status will ever be change as long as the US government continues in its current form.
No yeah obviously we do, I'm just saying that the world's current system isnt a reason to keep the land in white hands