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Does this fall under sectarianism? IMO this is a "Reality Check"

Consider this post a "testing the waters" type on the sectarianism part xdddddddd

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[-] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago

All fair points, I'll stand by my point that now it doesn't really count as sectarianism unless you're actively trying to judge current organizations by this old political cartoon. The message of organizing is basically just a way of calling for praxis and that's fine.

[-] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago

Fair enough. I could care less if it is 'sectarian' or not, or even how well it applies in a modern context*, I just think it is important to know, understand, and be clear-eyed about what the successes and failures of past movements are.

*Imo in the west neither our prognostication nor our praxis is nearly as historically well developed as any of the parties indicated here, there is very little actual ideological sectarianism, only personal grievances to make us feel as if we are walking in the footsteps of our predecessors, when in reality we have barely crossed a single heel-print in the footsteps of the giants that came before us.

[-] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago

Exactly, we're not in a position to apply any of the conflicts of our predecessors yet. This version of sectarianism is also so outdated that it's just history at this point as the organizations involved have evolved drastically over the past 100 years.

So we can't draw conclusions about the ideological stances of the modern iterations of these groups from it anymore. Meaning that it's now just a message calling for people to organize, even if at the time it's message was sectarian and claiming some sort of superiority of a specific way of thought.

[-] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago

I would say it still is more than a message to organize, in that it highlights still very relevant lessons about the IWW and adventurism

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