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And like Trump it's a dumbass claim that falls apart at the barest amount of scrutiny, there is no metric where Trump is worse than Biden on Gaza, whether it's material, political or rhetorical, Trump would literally have to drop a nuke to "be worse than Biden" at this late date in the genocide, and anyone who thinks that's gonna happen is a geopolitical toddler
And because liberals are too blinded by racism to see the obvious political reality they miss the most crucial difference between Biden's Israel policy and a hypothetical Trump policy, which is liberals can't blindly support Trump's policies like they do with Biden
The liberal media and establishment has sunk far too much political and cultural capital in turning Trump into the antichrist incarnate to simply do an about-face and back Trump's policies, just because "we have to punish the Arabs for getting him elected". Even tho the top cynics in DC wouldn't care less about backing Trump if he comes to power, the base and the Professional–managerial class despise Trump far too much to let the DNC slide with a heel-turn like that, and Trump's conviction has only further sealed that dynamic into stone
So yes, I would absolutely prefer a fascist who has 50% support domestically and internationally vs the fascist who has total state and media support, it's really simple the Palestinian resistance is more likely to win with Trump's unpopular and incompetent ass at the wheel than with the fuckin bloodless vampires who surround llich-king Biden
Hope that made sense for you genocide lover :)
This as a hugely undersold aspect. If 2020 wasn't under Trump but instead Hilary, there isn't a chance in hell default libs would have been anywhere near as pro-BLM (despite how performative it all was). Libs are reactionary and reacting against
is all we can expect from them, but at least it pushes them in the right direction
I think there is a lot of truth to that. Instead of Biden giving plausible deniability to countries of the world, they'll be forced to reckon with Trump just saying the quiet part out loud. Both of them want the genocide to keep going but Biden is smart enough to not actually say it and hem and haw about civility. When the public face of empire is so abhorrent there is likely going to be real pushback
I also genuinely think covid protections would’ve been even worse if Hillary had been in office. Instead of Trump giving us tepid protections with the grumbling support of both the democrats and republicans, Hillary would’ve tried to give us the exact same tepid protections but with the republicans screaming it’s communism and the rotating villains of the democrats joining them to make sure literally no protections passed.
Fuck, on a basic level, Trump gave us COVID protections, Biden removed them. Would Trump have removed them on the same timeframe? Maybe, but he also would’ve had the Dems actually opposing him, whereas Biden had full support for taking those away.
Trump's incompetence will not help the Palestinian resistance. In fact you cannot even visualize how that scenario plays out, it's just a grass is always greener type outlook. He will likely be advised to hire somebody like John Bolton and because of his incompetence and fearlessness of bad PR he will give his delegate carte blanche. And if you think America would lose power or standing in any way that would shake its power were it caught doing even more heinous and mask off things as a result of Trump's incompetence, you must be misremembering the net zero damage to US prosperity and power in just a handful of years following the Iraq War.
Victoria Nuland has more competence in her pinky toe then a dipshit like Bolton who got his ass outmaneuvered and fired by Trump of all people
What else is Trump gonna do, drop a nuke? Yeah go ahead and irradiate Tel Aviv and half of Egypt
Is he gonna openly deploy US ground troops? Yeah sure completely fuck the US ally system from Turkey to Egypt to the Gulf, lose Iraq and Syria permanently in the process and practically guarantee a new Egyptian revolution and West Bank Intifada
If that was true then why hasn't Biden sent ground troops yet? Since American power and standing wouldn't be effected in any way no matter how heinous and mask off American troops behave in Gaza, what could possibly be stopping Biden who is a bigger zionist than Trump in every conceivable way
It's almost like creating unsustainable conditions for US allies in the region and beyond IS A CONCERN for US power no matter if Trump or Biden is in office
Again this is something you Trumpmongers don't seem to understand, we are already at the terminal stage of the crisis, we are in the genocide room, there is nothing Trump could do that Biden hasn't already done and done with far more international and domestic support then Trump could ever dream of, that's why you're left fearmongering about the bona fides of John fuckin Bolton as if he's some archon who'll single-handedly plunge Gaza into something BEYOND genocide, it's gross, it's hysterical, it's cynical and it doesn't have a lick of geopolitical sense
The problem here is that many leaders in the Middle East already see Palestine as a liability even if their population doesn't, and if Trump convinces Saudi Arabia to look the other way, which he very well might, there will be an influx of propaganda manufacturing consent throughout the Muslim world that will undercut any nascent revolutionary movements.
Biden still fancies himself a diplomat and buys into that identity and has support based in respectability politics. Look at all the condemnations of the administration from other world leaders, they are doing that at all because they presume Biden will pretend to give a fuck and not enact direct retaliatory measures against them for insolence. The liberal Biden supporters don't have the appetite for that, and so Biden is constrained albeit minimally by the rules of decorum he is championed for buying into--forcing him to temper his destruction.
World leaders may not even bother with the condemnations against the US were Trump in office, because they would not presume he and his base would have shame and perform giving a fuck, and even possibly fear the retaliatory measures he might enact against them out of pettiness because his support comes from striking fear and dominating others. Currently you have groypers, Muslims worldwide and most Democrats all opposing Biden's Israel policy, and the uneasy coalition is responsible for the outsized spotlight on Gaza. But once Trump is in office all he would have to do is ramp up his attacks on gay rights and women's rights domestically and a significant amount of the people boosting outrage for Gaza will pivot to "I don't like Trump's Israel policy but at least he's bringing back___." The majority of Democrats already disapprove of Biden on Trump, you will never get a majority of Republicans to disapprove of Trump on any foreign military policy as long as it looks like America is spearheading it.
And sure, Biden is more of a zionist than Trump, but he isn't more of one than Kushner or the others in his cabinet responsible for the Abraham Accords. Kusher is currently working to build resorts in Gaza, if Trump helps him do that and more of the world starts vacationing there over time, Gaza will just be a footnote.
But by Trump being incompetent and not really giving a shit about the troops (see the operation in Niger, his attacks on Muslim Americans despite them being the best source of intel against terrorism), he would be less hampered by long term concerns and more willing to act rashly.
Just, No lmao, the Arab regimes have sent 75 years and tens of billions of dollars trying to demonize and vilify the Palestinian resistance and people and it HAS FAILED MISERABLY, there is no greater failure in the history of propaganda, Arab public opinion has never budged from the high 90% range in any country, in Morocco the CIA stooge par excellence, Palestinians could rely on free taxi rides wherever they went and that was at the height of normalization and that's certainly not changing now
Palestine is the heart of Arab political life, it is a solid neutron star that will never shift and never break, which is precisely why the regimes are so goddamn brutal and totalizing in their repression, but that will not last forever, the regimes are on borrowed time, the idea that Trump could do anything that could shift Arab public opinions is so ludicrous on it's face I'm now 100% convinced you have no clue what you're talking about
Like come on, Trump is not Morgoth, he's not gonna reshape the earth and put out all good in the world, give me a fuckin break with this weepy lib nonsense
A worn-out shoe is my only reply.
Hopefully thrown with incredible force
As a counterpoint everything can still get worse under Trump. He has promised to deport all anti-Israel protestors who are even legal immigrants, nationalize abortion bans, pull the same bullshit nationally that DeSantis pulled statewide in Florida by erasing curricula that creates awareness of slavery, and probably even ramp up US troop deployments to Israel. There is nothing that says things cannot get much worse and Trump won't come up with even more new bad shit for any Democrat successor to cowardly continue. You can roll off a bed of spikes right into an acid bath.
How is he gonna pass those laws? What judge is gonna back him that won't be opposed by another? If a convicted Trump wins, Republicans are fucked electorally everywhere besides maybe Florida and Texas
Dems won't back him, the PMCs won't back him, the media won't back him, Europe won't back him, how is he gonna finesse himself into passing all those dictatorial laws if most of the organs of state are gnashing their teeth at the idea of him just being in office?
Oh no genocide joe will be orange
Do you even know how racist your username is? That movie is a racist caricature of African village life that whitewashes south african apartheid and you're in here trying to go to bat for Joe fucking Biden?
will someone rid me of this turbulent
This is just like how the libs said that Chapo Trap House was cultural appropriation by white boys. You don't give a shit about the name, you don't find it that racist, you needed to conceive of a line of attack.
Such naked projection, what a soulless little nazi creep you've shown yourself to be
Not really. Everything you post is ammo to attack you with.
Ah yes the greatest enemy of the Palestinian resistance, the US appellate court system, which is such an ally right now, but will surely fall to evil if Trump returns to power
Yeah remember when Trump took over the government in Jan 6, 2021 and has ruled the last 4 years and was able to avoid a conviction by a court system he has in his pockets
Why are you astral projecting all the way back to the Bush era, maybe you should stay in the present and acknowledge the literal mountains of munitions and arms Biden has sent to Israel without congressional approval, it's a little more relevant
Yes I remember the great US-Iran War of 2017-2021, shame the US military follows Trump and his lackeys in every aspect
You're just describing Republican default programming that they perform regardless of whether a Republican or a Dem is in office
Yes Europe will follow Trump in every aspect, there will be no pushback, no blowback whatsoever, his incompetence and unpopularity will translate to him somehow strengthening the US grasp on Europe, a very reasonable take attached to reality
You know I think your problem is that you seem to only exist in the years 2017, 2020 and sometimes 2003, maybe you should recognize this is 2024 and realize what has happened the last four years, Trump is not always gonna be there to define your politics, sometimes you have acknowledge there are other players in the world besides HIM
We were talking about his socially conservative domestic policies that he would have more easily upheld and you are pretending we were talking about Palestine to have a leg to stand on.
Him not being able to overturn an election doesn't preclude him from being able to stop overturns of his laws when elected. The point is he will attempt to pass new laws nationalizing abortion bans and lgbtq oppression, that he is put into a position to do that and trample over the weak Democrats rather than letting Dems be weak at a standstill.
But Trump didn't want to go to war then. The point is if he wanted to go to war without congressional approval he would be met with less resistance from military brass than Biden purely for being a Republican. It's not that he will be Trump but that he will be a Republican that produces the added risk.
Of course, but I was arguing against the claim that Trump would lose all states except Texas and Florida if convicted, a claim that I know you don't believe.
Why do you have to argue against things I did not say, if you had convincing arguments against what I did say? I never said there would be no blowback whatsoever, you are the one detaching from reality for claiming I did. Europe could push back during the Iraq War from a better negotiating position than they can now due to a worse current economy now. Trump's incompetence and unpopularity will be a blip against the fact that he has the reins of US military and economic might.
This is as stupid as "This is the most important election of our lifetime" as a saying, in that if I asked you to give specifics on how being in 2024 would make Trump any less capable increased harm than he had been during his term, you would not say anything salient.
We've been talking about Palestine from the start, but stay coping
And why weren't those laws the first time around at the height of his power when even dem media softened on him in the first half of his term, it's almost like there was robust resistance to his nonsense both politically and institutionally, but I guess recognizing that reality would fly in the face of your delusion about the unstoppable god emperor Trump
He asked the military for options to attack, they give him the facts of what would happen and he declined to attack, which flies in the face of your assertion that he would decalre war on half the Middle East, did you forgot what claim you were supposed to be making lmao?
My claim is Republicans would lose locally, statewide, and in city elections in every state besides the strongholds of Texas and Florida, you do realize that involves numerical gains and loses at different levels of scale, that could still leave Republicans in overall charge of many red state governorships and state governments, but with a weakened position internally while indeed losing many other states overall, it's not a binary like in the general you dumbass, I didn't say every fuckin state beside Texas and Florida is gonna turn solid New York-style blue if Trump wins, do you know anything about electoral politics outside presidential rat races?
This nonsense right here is precisely why I mocked and characterized your take as "no pushback, no blowback" because that is what you're asserting, even if you don't realize it, either you're ignoring or are unaware of the fact of just how unpopular Trump is, not just with the public of Europe, but crucially the political class of Europe, he is persona non grata in terms of European statecraft and it doesn't matter how many economic screws the US tightens on European taxpayers, the political class is insulated and will make their displeasure known in serious ways the US establishment can't ignore
But instead you want to pretend Trump is a political genius who'll somehow (despite his unpopularity in the circles of power) bulldoze his way into becoming the Caesar of the American empire, like do you hear yourself, the motherfucker was convicted four days ago and you're over here acting like he's gonna have an ironclad mandate to rule
Thank you for clarifying that you situate genocide and elections in the same category in your head, real enlightening as to what really motivates you
Why isn't Biden doing #1 and #2?
Democrats should do this when they have power. Instead they give away several Congressional seats with redrawn maps in places like New York.
This is how I know Dems aren't serious about anything they say. They don't actually want to crush the Republicans.
But you know what they DO spend a lot of effort stopping? Third parties.
Death to white Amerika, however it has to be done