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I don't think this is a good one to use as agitprop. Read these facts from the perspective of someone who is sympathetic to the left, but who isn't all the way there yet:
Note that one big reason people give fake names upon arrest is that they know they are wanted for more serious crimes.
There are things to criticize here, but it's a bad example to push when there are a million other much clearer miscarriages of justice out there.
Sorry, but I'm not believing a word the pigs say. Cross-checking a possible unidentified minor that you've had for a few days in jail, with the database of missing people, seems like the most stupidly obvious thing you can do, and if they didn't do it, that's negligent as shit.
But you see, this is actually reasonable!!
Yes and we must reasonable- then the libs will all join us. Isn't anyone in this community thinking about how to get the libs to join us???!!!
that's what the ACAB community is for, for rationalizing how cops aren't so bad!
All Cops Are deserving of the Benefit of the doubt
American cops are terrible at the alleged parts of their jobs that involve actually helping people. The only parts they are "good" at are using violence to protect private property, acting like a gang, and being racist.
This is why key demands when defunding cops is to keep these alleged functions but make them civilian jobs by social services professionals. Having a way to identify and care for children in tough situations is a good thing to do. Cops are possibly the worst people to give that responsibility to.
As for believing the story: we should absolutely be skeptical, but "if the facts hurt my position I don't believe them" is an unfalsifiable stance.
It's not "if the facts hurt my position I don't believe them", it's about "cops have a record of bullshitting to try and save their asses to the point of bodycams becoming a necessity to save the public from their constant lying"
If "13 year old in jail for 2 weeks" doesn't radicalize someone I don't think much breath needs to be wasted on them. What the fuck are you talking about
I'm saying it's bad agitprop. It's bad agitprop because there are a lot of important facts beyond "a 13 year old was in jail." If you present a story as a horrible injustice but someone clicks through and reads "she told police she was an adult, waffled on that so it was guaranteed she was lying about her ID one way or the other, and never gave any real info that could be verified," you look like you didn't read what you shared, or you look like you're exaggerating.
There are factually innocent people in prison. People keep getting beaten by cops at the drop of a hat. You have cops catching themselves on video lying. This is what we want to use as agitprop, not "the cops kept someone in jail for two weeks because they didn't know who they were, and they didn't know who they were because the person lied to them."
Have you considered that not everything that is shared is shared because of its usefulness as agitprop? That people communicate for reasons other than winning internet arguments?
If you don't want to talk about the value of this as agitprop, don't respond to a comment talking about the value of this as agitprop.
I'm a little bit worried about your own instincts if you dont think "a 13 year old was in a cage for two weeks" isnt viscerally upsetting to anyone whos "sympathetic to the left".
Permabanned from the comm hope admins follow suit fuck this shit
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It is viscerally upsetting, especially for those charges. The problem with using it as agitprop is that anyone who reads the actual story is presented with a scenario that undercuts that feeling -- she lied about being an adult, then changed her story, and never provided a way of verifying her ID (parents' names, home address, a phone number, etc.). It comes across as a bait-and-switch.
There is no reason to push a story like that as agitprop when there are a million equally upsetting cases that have no such caveats.
This isn't the town square this isn't for optics this isn't for you. Rethink why you chose to make these comments and then please fuck off until you do serious self crit. She is a child for fuck sake.
Not to mention the missing child report. Dozens to hundreds of legal officers must have been interacting with her. I guess they didn’t case the search for the child net very far for some reason.
I don't think she saw "dozens to hundreds" of legal officers.
Probably a dozen cops and than one legal officer to rubber stamp their bullshit.
Yeah that 13 year old really seemed like an adult I'm sure, nothing to be concerned about here!
imagine trying to excuse the pigs locking up a child for two weeks by trying to blame the child
My man there must be other, non-jail places where a child can be kept because they gave a fake name
i genuinely haven't seen a post this bad in a while here, which probably speaks more to my curating than a lack of said, but oh my God MarxMadness get off of this hill, stop dying, and go figure out the different ways you might be wrong, like be very goddamn introspective because the veneer of rationality you're hiding behind is thinner than the lead paint chips you've apparently been eating - nothing you've said is rational, but simultaneously nothing you've said has an ounce of heart or empathy either. Go figure out how to tell yourself you're wrong and stop posting until you figure it out
If you are so incompetent that you cant tell the difference between an 18 YO and a 13 YO, You should not be a cop
I mean... yeah. But I'm framing it for this silly liberal.