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So what, how dare women have a hobby or interest right?
Imaging a witch with a bloody athame and demon behind her saying this.
It's me, I'm that witch.
Sorry, but I never assumed it was women who considered themselves Marxist feminists in the first instance, I wrote "people". And I'm not taking astrology as "a hobby I do in my spare time", I'm referring specifically to the anti-materialism implicit in it, taken worryingly seriously by supposedly materialist people.
This is very silly. Not everything needs to fit into a "materialst/anti-materialist" box.
What about reading works of fiction? Playing card games? Watching movies? Studying languages? Learning a skill? None of these have anything to do with materialism or production. Are the people engaging in them, "anti-materialist"? Are the activities "anti-materialist"?
There's absolutely nothing wrong with astrology, its a fun hobby like anything else.
There's nothing anti-materialist in fiction because it doesn't claim predictive capabilities on reality, there are anti-materialist things in astrology because it claims predictive capabilities on reality.
Lots of works of fiction make claims about reality.
How seriously those are taken is up to the person. You're treating astrology in a way that most people interested in it don't. Its less of a religion and more like a magic 8-ball.
I will ask again: SO WHAT?
99.9% of people who "practice" astrology do not take it seriously. I have many friends who are into it, I myself have been into it in the past and the idea that people actually think it's serious is just a massive joke. A small group of people probably take it seriously but then you get fanatics in literally every hobby.
The problem I saw is that you are assuming that by "distracted" I mean a "hobby", I don't mean a hobby, I mean an addressing of ideals. I have absolutely no problem with people having hobbies, mainly because it would be so stupid to be against it. Also, you are mistakenly believing that I attacked women in the first instance, I mean, what?
It's funny that you say 99.9% of people, and then immediately after that you refer to you and your friends. Just because your friends take it as a game, doesn't mean that there are people who don't take it completely seriously, and go around judging other people solely by the position of certain planets and stars, not by their ideas constructed based on their material conditions.
You are the one who was making it about feminism in your original post despite it having nothing to do with your point.
I did in fact address that point? And at least I gave a sample group for my argument, unlike you who is just saying it's "taken worringly seriously by supposedly materialist people" without elaborating. Who are these materialists who are supposedly taking astrology seriously? Because from what I am seeing in this thread, absolutely nobody is taking astrology seriously, they are just defending people's right to enjoy it as a hobby. Again, I have hung out in astrology spaces. The people who actually take it seriously are a very small minority of astrology fans, just like how a small minority of sports or gaming fans take it way too seriously.
And again. I don't understand why it is difficult to think of “people who consider themselves Marxist feminists” and not just “women”. That being the case, it will misunderstand everything and become an attack on the person, not their ideas.
astrology is not just a feminist thing, so why even bring up feminism in the first place?
This conversation is going around in circles. I have no interest in continuing and will not be responding further. Goodbye.
Astrology is not just a feminist thing. Feminism is not just a women's thing. I mentioned it primarily because it is the way in which many people who are themselves focused on astrology (and the magical thinking involved) describe themselves.
Goodbye. :)