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I know there was some schism and moving of instances, but beyond that I can’t deduce what happened/is happening.

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[–] DragonsInARoom@lemmy.world 16 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

The mod team tried to move everything to .world. No one liked that and now there's !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone !196@lemmy.world and !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone the top two are run by the old mod team, the last one is ran by a new mod team. Blahaj zone and onehundresninetysix are active. (Rip 196.world, gone and certainly forgotten.) The mod team and admin had a drama over heavy handed admin over reach on bans in 196blahaj.

[–] SoftTeeth@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago

Half the community liked it, it was just the half that was banned for dissent

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 153 points 9 hours ago (16 children)

Back in December, the instance hosting 196 (lemmy.blahaj.zone) announced that, as part of its mission as a trans-friendly space, harassment based on gender or neopronouns would remain prohibited—even if the user in question was suspected of being a troll. Users were asked to disengage, block, and report suspected trolling behavior rather than bring harassment into a community already vulnerable to that kind of bullying.

There was a small backlash to the policy from some users. This led to a number of “toe the line” posts that weren’t outright gender-based harassment but strongly signaled an intent to misgender or harass in the future. Blahaj admins promptly removed all offending comments during this wave of dissent.

Important to note: The majority of the Blahaj and 196 users supported the policy, upvoting and praising the admins for creating a safe space for trans individuals.

By January, the backlash had mostly subsided, and the trolls causing issues had moved on. However, 196 moderator @moss and their team remained unhappy with the policy. They cited “personal differences” and felt Blahaj admins had overstepped by removing comments themselves rather than allowing 196 mods to address users who openly expressed intent to harass others.

Yesterday, @moss and the 196 moderation team enacted a major decision without consulting the community. They locked !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone and instructed users to move to !196@lemmy.world.

This move was extremely unpopular. Many users strongly dislike lemmy.world for various reasons (a complicated topic better unpacked elsewhere). The announcement post was met with widespread backlash, and @moss eventually locked it. In response, a few users created a new community on Blahaj: !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone. The new community quickly grew in size and activity, with most users opting to stay on Blahaj rather than migrate to lemmy.world.

It’s clear @moss and the 196 moderators underestimated the community’s attachment to its home on Blahaj. By attempting to uproot the group without input, they alienated much of the community. As a result, most users have moved to the new Blahaj-hosted community, which has already become the more active space.

TL;DR:
@Moss and the 196 mod team tried to move the community to lemmy.world without consulting anyone. The decision was extremely unpopular, leading to backlash and the creation of a new Blahaj-hosted community that most users now prefer.

[–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 19 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Oof. Rookie mistake. Even if people aren't against a move most people won't follow you to the new site simply because of laziness. It kills communities.

There really should be a life shattering reason to move a community to a new site.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 12 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Yup. Clearly, “the admin is going to generally protect trans identities on her instance” didn’t ring as “life shattering” to too many. 😸

[–] SoftTeeth@lemmy.world -1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Anyone who has spent time in LGBTQ spaces knows the blanket inclusivity policies empower trolls and kill communities.

It's better we move to .world befor the mods ruin blahaj too.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Hi! Have spent time in LGBTQ spaces; have never seen any such thing.

You have a disturbing modlog so I do hope you stay over there on .world. I sure won’t miss you.

[–] SoftTeeth@lemmy.world 1 points 57 minutes ago

Hi, this literally already happened on the 196 on reddit.

You also have a disturbing modlog if that's where you want to take this.

I don't care if you miss me troll.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 54 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

This comment would probably make for a good crosspost to !fediverselore@lemmy.ca

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 24 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

on it!

edit: https://lemmy.cafe/post/12094663 thanks again for the suggestion

[–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 46 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (4 children)

Great write-up, thanks. I love a good shit-show. 🍿

Sounds to me like the OG mods could have said “we don’t like how the admin runs things here, we are leaving as mods and starting a new 196 on .world with hookers and blackjack, you guys do what you want here.”

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 hours ago

Which everyone would think is fine, but that would mean they'd be mods of an empty community, and thus have no power, and that of course made them upset.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 28 points 9 hours ago

I genuinely would have had no problem with that, and I think most others would agree with me.

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[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 14 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

They stated pretty directly it wasn't about the Dragonfucker incident, nor did it involve policies on neopronouns. Drag wasn't even banned for anything to do with neopronouns.

I think the move to lemmy.world was a mistake, but I believe them when they say it has nothing to do with the neopronouns policy.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 16 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah I think the above comment is inappropriately tying the issue to a topic they specifically said wasn't the motivation

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[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 8 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Correct. Nevertheless the neopronouns incident was something of a catalyst; all the “differences” had to do with trans issues in some way, and it would be amiss of me not to point out the biggest moment that made 196 come out in support of Ada and Blahaj.

Their other “differences” are also bogus in my opinion.

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[–] Toes@ani.social 7 points 5 hours ago
[–] Alchalide@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Onehundrednightysix is stupid. You should have just named it oneninesix

[–] PugEnjoyer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

The really quick summary is that the mods of the 196 community on blahaj.zone wanted to move the community to lemmy.world, but did not announce it publicly to the users or seek their input, and so when the announcement came out, users of the instance felt blindsided by the announcement, and that lemmy.world was a fairly unpopular choice of instance. The resulting discussion from the thread largely did not dissuade skeptical users and contributed to the feelings that the mods were making a unilateral decision based on their desire and ignoring what the users of 196 wanted, and the decision to keep the original community on lemmy.blahaj.zone locked meant that users who did not want to post on lemmy.world were losing out their community.

This resulted in another 196 clone being created on blahaj, the original 196 becoming unlocked, and so now there are 3 196 communities. The newest one, onehundrednightysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone, has a particularly high posting rate right now, as users are attempting to assert that community's support as opposed to the ones run by the mods of the original and the lemmy.world communities.

[–] SoftTeeth@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago

They gave as much warning as Ada did with her policy to legitimize trolls.

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