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People here still blaming this on minority voters are deafeningly silent on party leadership holding the coalition hostage over AIPAC funding
Stop directing your anger at people being robbed of basic representation instead of political actors who are gleefully accepting blood money to turn against their constituents and a blind eye to genocide
We know they're war-criminals. There's still a difference between that and leveling the place for a hotel. Trump gleefully accepted $100m from Adelson for the west bank.
Stop assuming we're pro-dems and not just anti-trump.
Stop assuming we're pro-dems and not just anti-trump.
This is the shit that drives me nuts. No matter how many fucking times you explain it, they just cannot wrap their heads around this for some reason. Or they refuse to.
I'm not accusing anyone of being pro-dems, I'm pointing out that this line of reporting is intentionally misdirecting anger at voters - who can literally only react to the policies and governance of the democrats as they are - instead of the democrats sabotaging themselves for thinking they could have their cake and eat it too.
Thinking that the democrats could participate in a highly-publicized genocide and not lose any voters is folly, but then turning around blaming the voters for the loss of votes is beyond hubris and well into delusion. Anyone with eyes could see this loss coming from a mile away and was screaming at the democrats to change course.
intentionally misdirecting anger at voters - who can literally only react to the policies and governance of the democrats as they are
It doesn't matter if Democrats aren't picture perfect. Anyone willing to rub brain cells together knows they're infinitely better at governing than Republicans, including in regards to Palestine, and should vote accordingly. I don't need the Democrats to cup my balls and talk dirty to me to know the smarter move is to vote for them. I don't need to be courted every fucking election or my vote goes to a proto-fascist or I don't vote at all.
The majority of the fault is squarely on voters, not Democrats. Because they didn't fucking inform themselves responsibly.
I'm not assuming you're pro-dems, I'm pointing out that their loss is entirely attributable to their own political mis-calculation on top of their efforts to gaslight Americans about their roll and knowledge of the crimes being committed on their behalf.
Blaming voters for reacting to the Democrats' policy decisions - including the moderates they alienated - is simply yet another attempt to obscure the facts that lead us to this moment.
Please elaborate what the party leadership could've done differently to not alienate the other voting blocks mentioned.
I find arguments that the non-voters shouldn't be blamed for Trump because party leadership didn't properly encourage them to vote for Harris idiotic. Everyone has a duty to educate themselves about their vote. Shifting blame to the DNC is both patronizing and destructive. The DNC sucks.... You know who else sucks? people who didn't stand up against Trump. Those people are grown ass adults who actively helped a fascist by doing nothing but bitch.
They aren't regretting here yet. I make comments about it and get brigade against. Hey Dearborn Palestinians for Trump: you guys were completely ignorant, ignored everything that man said, and still held out hope he would be better for your people for some god known reason. Ya fucked up.
The election was three months ago. These constant attempts to relitigate it are just an attempt by the right to divide the left.
The truth is there is blame on both sides. Those who stayed home hold some responsibility, and the Biden admin is also to blame for shunning their own base.
But now we have bigger fish to fry. There's a constitutional crisis on, and a united front is needed against the right. Fuck the dividers. When someone tries to divide the left, call them out on it or downvote them to hell. They're either a conservative or a Russian troll.
The right didn’t need help to divide the left this election. The left did it itself. The American left splintered into toxic little sub groups who all hated each other, saw each other as unworthy allies and called each other fascists for being even slightly right or even left of each other. Meanwhile the right was unified and laughing at the left who so easily felll for the right’s manufactured war
Awwww. Maybe if people actually had been reading the news they may have seen this coming. Now it’s only the leopards.
Most muslims I know saw right through the bullshit, but it seems there is a growing dumb fringe in all communities. Two were very vocal about Biden but ultimately supported Kamala as (in their view) the obvious lesser evil. That even one would vote for the guy who put a ban on Muslims in his first term will always baffle me as the most stupid shit I've ever witnessed
Edit the n+1th most stupid after the nth things diaper don does
They didn’t need all Muslim voters.
They needed “enough” Muslim voters. They peeled some off. And some voters on the economy and some voters on other issues.
The glaring issue with Palestine is that they were basically silent on it. Harris needed some daylight with Biden, but she chose the VP hat over her candidate hat and kept her mouth shut. (Or she doesn’t disagree with biden’s response. Which would also be problematic…)
I was so happy when she took over because she'd have the freedom to distance herself from Biden on the issues that were killing him (apart from the obvious senility). Instead she just kept trying to make everyone knew she approved of everything he did. What a terrible terrible mistake.
yeah, I'm with you on that.
She could have been respectful. "as VP it's my job to stand by my president, and I will continue to do that- as VP. but as a candidate? I gotta say here's how I will be doing things differently.... "
And lets just be completely honest with Biden on gaza- He spent most of that time giving Netanyahu a blow job even though Netty was fucking him over by supporting trump.
Which apart from the moral issues, really made it seem like he was not prepared to handle our current political situation. Netanyahu was lying to him over and over, clearly wanting to support his fellow far-right candidate, and Biden just blithely pretended they were the best of allies, never wanting to give any offense or entertain the thought that an Israeli leader might have his own agenda separate from the both us and the Israeli people.
So, like I'm going to preface this with saying its open secrets, so these are only reported numbers. (that list is the top 20 from 1990 to 2024, and is specifically members of congress, so I'm not sure if it includes donations during his presidential campaigns.)
but like. As a member of congress, Biden received more money from pro-israel groups than any other candidate. To the tune of 4+ million. His loyalty was bought. it was bought a while ago.
Holy shit, almost double the next person. Dude is in the twilight of his career, he could have told them to fuck off with little consequences at this point.
Instead she just kept trying to make everyone knew she approved of everything he did.
And the refrain from the pro-genocide center was "she can't undermine him! WhAt Do YoU eXpEcT hEr tO dO?!" But they were silent when she moved to his right.
They didn’t need all Muslim voters.
They certainly acted like they wanted zero of them.
Oh yeah.
the entire attitude was "Well, you're not gonna go vote for trump, so, lets go after people who will never vote for me, instead."
Which, I seem to recall trying to explain to Dems that this election was going to come down to who lost more of their base.... I hate being right.
It's a fringe that was a minority irrelevant to the election result but a favorite punching bag for liberals who'd rather do that than confront people in their own community and social networks. All the white racists they know get a pass, because they were just mistaken or misled, but they have passionate anger for minority voters who were witnessing an active genocide for not having 100% Democratic turnout.
We need to be very clear that white people, in almost every demographic - men, women, 18-55, 55+, non-college educated went solidly, majority Trump. THAT is the biggest problem, and it’s what needs to be fixed if the Republicans are ever going to get dislodged. Blaming groups that “only” voted 75-80% Harris is not helpful, and is exactly the kind of unproductive sniping the Republicans encourage and celebrate when we do it.
If you are not a white male billionaire, and you voted for Trump, or didn’t vote, you’ve made life worse for yourself (and everybody else) in multiple, awful ways, and should feel stupid about it. I’m sure most people will figure that out eventually, even if it is too late. Asking people how Trump has made their life better rather than telling them they’re idiots will probably get them there faster.
The Democratic party’s strongest, winning platform would to directly address the needs of people who work for a living, which is basically everybody, as opposed to the current “we rig the economy for billionaires… LESS!” Yes, Biden actually did many good things for working people, but he mixed it in with enough fellating the 1% that is was easy to make the (correct) conclusion that the wasn’t all in on it. Heck, Trump actually said some of the right things on that front. He was obviously lying, and anybody with a memory better than a goldfish (less than half the voters it seems) knew that, but at least he pretended to care about it.
Democrats need to focus on that. If that messaging ever got going seriously, Republicans would be too busy panic screeching about communism to spend their time telling people which bathroom they could use. The reason making tje economy work for the 99% isn’t front and center is because neither the Republican nor the Democratic leadership will allow that conversation to happen.