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And on the American website, the MSRP is $80, with no distinction made between digital and physical yet.

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[–] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 64 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe MSRP at release (and also still now) was $60. Since the previous Mario Kart game they increased the price by 50%. That’s fucking insane.

Also, hot take, I don’t give a fuck about inflation; Games should cost less now than they did 20 years ago. The audience is bigger and the per unit cost is lower. You can make more money releasing the exact same game now than you could 20 years ago. They should cost less.

“Oh but ClimateChangeAnxiety, games cost more to make now!” No they don’t. You’re choosing to spend more to make them. You’re choosing to hire larger teams to make larger games with better graphics. Don’t do that. Make them the same way you did in 2010.

You have better tools now, you can make the same products you made in 2010 with less labor today. Do that. And charge less.

[–] Carl@hexbear.net 59 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

no-copyright I want shorter games with worse graphics and I'm not kidding

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 42 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I'll take longer games with even worse graphics pls

Reject modernity, retvrn to ASCII. Your brain does the translating. I don't even see the letters. All I see is tree, zombie, plump helmet.

[–] Frivolous_Beatnik@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 35 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The video game industry is bigger than Hollywood. Imagine if they were charging $90 for a BluRay.

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[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The audience is bigger and the per unit cost is lower. You can make more money releasing the exact same game now than you could 20 years ago. They should cost less.

How're those poor executives gonna buy a third yacht? Gotta buy back stock with that excess capital to drive up prices for ~~their own stock options~~ shareholders, did you ever think of that

[–] Tabitha@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago

but it costs server money to run our panopticon skynet skinchanging marketplace to sell your data

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

“Oh but ClimateChangeAnxiety, games cost more to make now!” No they don’t. You’re choosing to spend more to make them. You’re choosing to hire larger teams to make larger games with better graphics. Don’t do that. Make them the same way you did in 2010.

You have better tools now, you can make the same products you made in 2010 with less labor today. Do that. And charge less.

Outside of niche games and genres, those would sell poorly. Mainstream consumers will absolutely not accept stagnation. This argument always comes up with regards to game franchises that had their heyday 10-20 years ago, and the answer is the same. A lot of those games had mechanics, progression skips, and glitches that would be considered unacceptable in the modern market. That was fine back then as the internet and YouTube were no where no where near as big as they are today, so the knowledge of game breaking progress skips, extremely overpowered builds, and glitches was contained through obscurity. You had to either phone a hotline (remember those) or go on a niche internet forum to find out about these things. That's not possible anymore, someone will post a YouTube video within 24 hours of the latest exploit and it would be all over the internet within a few days. I say this as someone who is a huge fan of those older games and still plays them today.

The only series I've seen revive itself by making the same kind of game it made 15 years ago was Ace Combat, a niche franchise that was in a poor situation in the first place, because it tried to enter the mainstream and failed with it's Call of Duty clone with airplanes game.

And besides that, the Switch and Switch 2 is already a constrained platform. Most flagship smartphones are more powerful than the Switch 2. Nintendo is the only party around making games under such hardware constraints. That's because ever since the GameCube, they failed to compete against PlayStation and Xbox on the processing power front. So Nintendo competes in hardware niches, motion control with the Wii, and the portable factor with the Switch. Nintendo is the company making games with the technical complexity of those made 5-10 years ago. So if they're charging more, that means the industry is in big trouble. GTA 6 $100?

And to be completely honest, this stuff (consumer electronics and video games) has always been that expensive outside of the western/first world sphere. Cheap consumer goods in the western world is possible because of globalised neoliberal capitalism, a system that is now dead. The 2009 financial crisis was the big blow, and afterwards Obama, Merkel, Macron, Cameron, Abe, they all tried to revive this system and failed. COVID and the resulting inflation was the death knell. The Trump administration in the USA is trying to lessen the blow (for the USA) by taking direct control of the world's oceans and key points, along with tarrifs. If consumer electronics are considered expensive now, just wait for what the next decade has in store. So many potential flashpoints.

[–] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I don’t agree. Maybe 2010 was a stretch, that’s still PS3/360 time, but let’s say 2013/2014 instead, early PS4 era.

I’ve been replaying GTA V and Wolfenstein: The New Order recently and outside of some UI and QoL changes I think those games could be released today and be hugely successful.

Obviously GTA V was, at the time, basically the new record for size and scope, but that record has been beat since and didn’t have to be.

Now you’ve got me interested in looking at this so I’m gonna go down the list of big games released those years and see how we feel about them. I really hope this doesn’t come off as me being a dick I just got curious and wanted to see.

2013

GTA V - Totally could release today with mild UI and QoL changes.

CoD: Ghosts - AFAIK CoD games have not changed that much.

FIFA 2014 - Come on.

Battlefield 4 - Not sure on this one, barely played it and haven’t played any battlefield games since

AC Black Flag - Assassins Creed format has changed because people got bored of it, but not in a way that requires more labor, they just changed the gameplay some.

The Last of Us - They literally just rereleased this game in 2022.

Tomb Raider (2013) - Gameplay is stale by now but as far as graphics, size, and scope go holds up fine.

2014

Not gonna go through these ones individually, aside from GTA V (again) none of these games would do well today but not because of technical limits and labor spent on graphics, but because they just aren’t very good games. They weren’t good in 2014 either, and most of the ones in a series sold worse than the one before.

Fifa 15

Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare

Titanfall

Grand Theft Auto V (PS4 and Xbox One release)

Destiny

Watch Dogs

Minecraft: Xbox Edition

Fifa 14

Far Cry 4

Assassin’s Creed: Unity

2015

Witcher 3: Wild Hunt - Could totally release today.

Metal Gear Solid V - Could totally release today.

Bloodborne - Absolutely.

Super Mario Maker - Weird one but for sure.

Fallout 4 - Starfield looked worse, ran worse, and was worse in pretty much every aspect except for how the guns felt. Starfield sold decent, but was critically panned. Fallout 4 could be released today as it was on launch and probably do better than Starfield did.

Rise of the Tomb Raider - Same applies as 2013 Tomb Raider.

Until Dawn - Was recently rereleased, holds up perfectly fine.

Splatoon - Would do perfectly fine released today.

Cities Skylines - Still the best and most popular city builder there is, but I also do think city builders are one of the few genres that do still have a lot of room for technical improvement.

Very few of those would do poorly now aside from the fact that their core gameplay is a bit stale now, but that’s not something that requires more labor and increasing scope, that’s just trends.

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[–] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Also the fuck you mean 90? We just jumped up from 60 to 70 a couple years ago. You can try 80 in 2030.

[–] Carl@hexbear.net 38 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

every game company wants to increase the base price of aaa games

Nintendo will do it first, giving everyone else cover to follow

by next year it will be accepted for aaa games to cost $80 and have a $120 deluxe edition and a $60 season pass

not surprising tbh

[–] riseuppikmin@hexbear.net 35 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Lol.

Don't forget to check the emulation thread!

[–] pinguinu@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I hope it's not too much of a hassle to support it, since it's the same ISA and all. Graphics and os would probably be the bigger hurdle I think

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[–] Pili@hexbear.net 31 points 1 week ago

I hope that console will be cracked fast, those prices are completely stupid.

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 28 points 1 week ago

“You’ll buy it anyway” and its consequences.

[–] Hohsia@hexbear.net 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

How did we just get to a point where we collectively allowed even digital games to cost this much

Like, that’s incomprehensible. I think the ubiquitous digital age of everything is what fried people’s brains, not Trump

The immortal science probably has a better explanation though

[–] Carl@hexbear.net 33 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Everyone made fun of horse armor. Everyone also bought horse armor.

Also worth remembering the time that Microsoft forced Valve to charge money for new Left for Dead maps that were free on PC.

[–] Hohsia@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago

It’s like when I used to play madden/nba games as teen, nearly everyone complained about getting the same game every year but gladly paid nearly 100 hundred bucks for nothing but roster upgrades

Like this is obviously small potatoes in the scope of things but why do people behave this way about all services that objectively fuck them over marx-joker

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[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

How did we just get to a point where we collectively allowed even digital games to cost this much

Antipiracy policies and propaganda

[–] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 25 points 1 week ago

Lol, lmao even. And to make things even more expensive, regular microSD cards won't work with Switch 2 games, so if you run out of internal storage you'll have to get a microSD Express card, and those are more than twice as expensive. What a shitload of fuck. avgn

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Pro controller with broken D-pad and no analog triggers? 90 dollars, Ned!

[–] Omegamint@hexbear.net 25 points 1 week ago

Dorks on reddit already crying about people talking about piracy on the switch 2. I'm not even considering touching the thing until I can mod it, paying 80$ a game is not happening lol.

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago

Emulators take my energy destroy the pikamario company waluigi-stalin

[–] Blep@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Its not on the card. Physical is just a bit of plastic for collectors.

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Right, maybe I should edit the title to metaphysical

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[–] SovietyWoomy@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If the switch 2 isn't a catastrophic failure, the price of games is going to skyrocket doomjak

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago

Wishing a very Dreamcast

[–] nothx@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Everyone forgets that there were n64 games for $70 bucks back in the 90s.

[–] dannoffs@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago

Also adjusting for inflation, Atari games were $120.

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[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Real talk I'm digging the art style on the new Donkey Kong game, and I don't even like Donkey Kong.

But yeah fuck how expensive new games have gotten.

[–] Esoteir@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

i love the character design but honestly it looks like a Mario Odyssey DLC

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[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Interesting, as according to IGN the Switch 2 bundled with Mario Kart is $499, only $50 more than the Switch 2 without the bundle. They must be really pushing people to get the bundle version.

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[–] GVAGUY3@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

This is going to sell like hotcakes because everyone and their mothers loves Mario Kart. Nintendo will shut down any emulator attempt and every game will be $80 now. Kinda a miracle that games were about $60 for a decade.

Also everyone that says they will hold out will buy it launch day.

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[–] peppersky@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

If it's this or live service free2play predatory multiplayer-only bullshit, I'll take this (not actually though because I don't have the money). I'd rather actual real games still exist that I'm priced out of than only slop that's designed specifically to fool poor people out of what little money they have.

Edit: and this should go without saying, but obviously this shouldn't be the choice one has to make and art should exist without a profit motive, capitalism needs to be abolished, ya know

[–] Esoteir@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] peppersky@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Don't worry, if there is a switch 2 emulator I'll play the hell out of the next Zelda game on there

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[–] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I hope it gets just as easy to emulate every switch 2 game that is worth playing as it was for the swtich 1

Also, porque é que isto está em PT-PT?

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[–] Imnecomrade@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
[–] dkr567@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Lol and with the tariffs, it's probably at least 100 for physical if it's not accounted for it. Nintendo fans will still eat that shit up like republicans (not rich ones) when Trump literally shits on them and cycle continues.

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

You can get FF7 Rebirth for $40 on sale. (And it has Chocobo racing) I think Nintendo is over reaching quite a bit and under delivering with a really mediocre upgrade with way too many nickle and dime gimmicks.

They killed emulators for this side grade and I don't see the justification for it. Crap-it-all-ism of course, but I'm not impressed by it.

[–] TheBroodian@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Switch Emulators aren't dead, only yuzu had got got. There are others.

[–] Esoteir@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

ryujinx got got too, nintendo sent someone to threaten the lead dev at their house in brazil

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[–] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago

Ryujinx also got got, but in a different way. They did not get sued, but Nintendo tracked down the lead dev in Brazil and threatened him into shutting the project down

[–] coolusername@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] amphibian@hexbear.net 30 points 1 week ago

yes definitely inflation.. no monopolistic market manipulation going on here at all, all natural just a part of how things work :(

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