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[–] CidVicious@sh.itjust.works 176 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Rich is right, since this is the date format that sorts correctly in filenames.

[–] compostgoblin@slrpnk.net 99 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And it is easily extensible to YYYY-MM-DDThh:mm:ss to include the time of day

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)
[–] compostgoblin@slrpnk.net 14 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Haha yep, you caught me. I’m a fan of the unique note feature

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[–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 42 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

Won't be true after 9999-12-31, however.

[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 109 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 36 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Can't wait for the Y40k bug, when Tyranids begin to infect our brains.

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[–] Saleh@feddit.org 17 points 2 weeks ago

Can be solved with a small shellscript adding a leading zero to all filenames with the format.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 week ago

If I, my software, or my data last this long, I will have nearly 8000 years to resolve it. Which is to say, the year 9998 is going to get busy.

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[–] waigl@lemmy.world 35 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Who's Rich? Did you mean Randall?

[–] CidVicious@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

...dammit, the only comics I read are XKCD and OOTS and I done fucked up.

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[–] elDalvini@discuss.tchncs.de 87 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Alt text:

ISO 8601 was published on 06/05/88 and most recently amended on 12/01/04.

[–] argh_another_username@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

But… that’s not the right way. Are you saying the ISO8601 violates ISO8601?

  • so, apparently not I just whooshed, I didn’t even noticed the dates are ambiguous.
[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 55 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The joke is that they've not been given in ISO8601 format, and also that they're both ambiguous. For the second one, we can't even tell which of the ends is the year.

[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Honestly Randall absolutely would put the year in the middle just to fuck with us

[–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Publication 1988-06-05, latest amendment 2004-12-01.

I almost expected the two dates to use different formats, but no, they're just both "the American way".

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[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 69 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I am a big fan of iso 8601, I just wish it was possible to write more dates than February 27th, 2013 with it

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[–] thesmokingman@programming.dev 48 points 2 weeks ago (23 children)

There are several people in the comments saying they have to use 27 Feb 2013 because they work with people all over the world. I’m really confused - what does that solve that 2013-02-13 does not? I know that not every language spells months the English way so “Dec” or “May” aren’t universal. Is there some country that regularly puts year day month that would break using ISO 8601 or RFC 3339?

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 38 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I think learning all abbreviations for different months in different languages is more complicated than just learning that the time is sorted from largest to smallest unit.

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[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 47 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I propose that we amend the ISO to require the days of the week be named after their etymological roots in that language.

English Days of the Week:
Day of the Sun
Day of the Moon
Day of Týr
Day of Odin
Day of Thor
Day of Frēa
Day of Saturn

Imagine dating a meeting, "Day of Odin, May 7, 2025." Imagine a store receipt that says, "Day of Thor, June 5, 2025." Imagine telling a friend, "July 4th falls on a Day of Frēa this year!"

THIS IS WHAT WE COULD HAVE. THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE LOST. THIS IS WHAT WAS STOLEN FROM US.

We could bring it back. We could make this the norm. We could make this real. We could summon this bit of ancient magic back into our world. Let's remember what we actually named these days for! BRING BACK THE DAY OF THOR!

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[–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 33 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

My goodness, some of the comments in here must come from people who thought that those writing the standard were morons who did no research.

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[–] arc@lemm.ee 30 points 1 week ago (9 children)

The sane way of dealing with it is to use UTC everywhere internally and push local time and local formatting up to the user facing bits. And if you move time around as a string (e.g. JSON) then use ISO 8601 since most languages have time / cron APIs that can process it. Often doesn't happen that way though...

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[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 22 points 2 weeks ago

Is that the same guy who wrote Standards? tsk, tsk.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Where I live, "DD. MM. YYYY" is the standard but some old tombstones use

first two digits of year, then a "proper" (horizontal-bar) fraction of DD/MM, then second two digits of year

[–] De_Narm@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Do you know why one would ever do that? 20(02/05)25 feels like the "Don't Dead Open Inside" of dates.

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[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

2013-02-27 is a weird way of writing 1361923200

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

ISO 8601 allows all kinds of crazy time stamps. RFC 3339 is much nicer and simpler, and the sweet spot is at the intersection of ISO 8601 and RFC 3339.

Then again, ISO 8601 contains some nice things that RFC 3339 does not, like ranges and durations, recurrences...

https://ijmacd.github.io/rfc3339-iso8601/

[–] sxan@midwest.social 17 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

RFC-3336

I figured there were problems with existing calendars, so I created a new one to supersede all others. That reminds me, though: I need to declare the "official" format for the calendar, to avoid all this nonsense.

I see a window of opportunity, here. Normally, there's no chance for any calendar revision to succeed in adoption; however, I think if I use the right words with the President, I could get it pushed into adoption by fiat. Y'all had best start learning my new calendar to get ahead of everyone else.

Note for the humorously disadvantaged: the Saturnalia Calendar is a mechanism through which I'm playing with a new (to me) programming language. I am under no disillusion that anyone else will see the obvious advantages and clear superiority of the Saturnalia Calendar, much less adopt it. And no comments from the peanut gallery about the name! What, did you expect me to actually spend time thinking of a catchy name when a perfectly good, mostly unused one already existed?

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[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (35 children)

I regularly work with Americans, Canadians, and Europeans. So many times each group defaults to their own format and mistakes occur I gave up on all the formats listed by OP. If i have to write a date in correspondence its like: Feb 27th 2013. No ambiguity. No one has ever challenged me on it either. It is universally understood.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I prefer 27 Feb 2013, it's how my work writes dates.

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[–] callyral@pawb.social 13 points 1 week ago

2013-02-27 = 1984

[–] ILaughBecauseFunny@feddit.dk 13 points 1 week ago

Issue: there are 27 different ways of writing a date.

Engineers: We most make a common standard that is unambiguous, easy to understand and can replace all of these.

Issue: there are 28 different ways of writing a date.

Joke aside, I really think the iso standard for dates is the superior one!

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I feel like YYYYMMDD (without dashes) might be a format in ISO 8601, but I'm fully expecting to be corrected soon. But I didn't say think, I said feel. YYYYMMDD has a similar vibe to YYYY-MM-DD, ya feel me?

[–] compostgoblin@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nope, you are correct! From the Wikipedia page, which cites the standards document:

  • Representations can be done in one of two formats – a basic format with a minimal number of separators or an extended formatwith separators added to enhance human readability. The standard notes that "The basic format should be avoided in plain text." The separator used between date values (year, month, week, and day) is the hyphen, while the colon is used as the separator between time values (hours, minutes, and seconds). For example, the 6th day of the 1st month of the year 2009 may be written as "2009-01-06" in the extended format or as "20090106" in the basic format without ambiguity.
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