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It's Joever for the Democrats no lie. I know polls are still pretty even and something could happen to give them a shot in the arm but honestly all the videos I've been watching and conversations I've been having IRL are just pointing to a complete anti-Democrat vibe. Watching a few videos that are saying the same thing and it could just be algorithm bias but idk. I don't even mean just for 2024 election like long term this party is fucked. I used to think they were going to be bent over and moved out of the way by the Republicans (consequently establishing a further fascist government) because Dems are spineless but they're actually doing such a terrible job that they're going to get voted out and allow the Republicans to further fascist-ize the US if that's even possible.

I'm low-key here for it, going to be interesting but I'm very scared for marginalized people and the proleys in general.

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[–] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 71 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] LoomingMountain@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 11 months ago

Simple and elegant visual explanation. Thank you for this

[–] taiphlosion@lemmygrad.ml 56 points 11 months ago (5 children)

It's okay they'll just blame Black people for not voting instead of coming up with any sort of comprehensive plan that actually matches our interests

[–] TeezyZeezy@lemmygrad.ml 38 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Noo you OWE the Democrats your vote to prevent FASCISM and if you DON'T vote for us you actually are to blame for the further oppression of your people (which will happen under us, too)

If you don't vote for this shitty party then the other one will make things even worse and also you have no other choice and also we are the greatest democracy the world has ever seen and also skill issue bootstraps you can't shoot your way to liberation!!!

  • signed with my totally anti-racist condolences, thoughts, and prayers, the liberal state
[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 11 months ago

Be prepared for more bamboozlement under the guise of journalism. Understand that Black politics will not be part of any discussion. Making it so would create a problem for people whose goal is to win office while also excluding the people whose votes they need. Media are an important part of sham democracy. No one should expect anything more than, “But Trump!” between now and November 2024. -- Margaret Kimberley

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 32 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They're literally already telling the left to fuck off and simultaneously already blaming us for their loss a full calander year from now.

[–] taiphlosion@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Clown show, the lot of them. Well for us it's been the same no matter who's in office so I couldn't care any less, the real pearl clutching will come from the libs

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 15 points 11 months ago

Yup I'm at the stage of "good luck with that, can't possibly imagine how that'll work out for you, if you need me I'll be over here loudly and repeatedly saying I told you so"

[–] the_post_oftom_joad@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

And the Bernie Bros! And the poll kiddos who polled but didn't show! And the misogynists who hate hill-dawg for being woman and the agesists and...

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 16 points 11 months ago

They usually brag about the black vote. It's more likely latinos or some other minority group will take the heat.

[–] timicin@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 11 months ago

they’ll just blame Black people for not voting

and also not bother to do shit to help people who are blocked from voting

[–] LoomingMountain@lemmygrad.ml 38 points 11 months ago (2 children)

For me, this started in the aftermath of the Trump presidency, and the absolute denial and non-engagement of the Democratic party to self-examine their own actions that led to defeat, such as blocking Sanders to promote an unpopular Clinton, blaming everything on their voters, kicking and screaming, and then of course four years later fucking Sanders again.

I heard a good podcast with historia publica yesterday, and he said it excellently: when there's crisis, the youth wants to radicalize, but unfortunately, in our countries you are not allowed to radicalize left, only to radicalize right. (I'm paraphrasing).

[–] Dr_Gabriel_Aby@hexbear.net 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

In like 2018 pod Jons started an entire new series about litigating the previous election. Their big idea a progressive candidate who is even more progressive, cooler, hipper than Bernie. They declared Kamala as the perfect candidate.

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[–] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And what would have happened under Sanders the Zionist?

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I don't think they were saying he's good, but that even his brand of (incredibly popular) milquetost social imperialism was still unnacceptably left wing to the Democrats, who chose instead to lose Neoliberal-ly

[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

If the US is around long enough, we might see a different party rise to take their place in the two party system, just like the republicans did with the Whigs.

It'd probably a hardcore libertarian party or something, wouldn't it?

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 25 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Democrats will stop pretend8ng and just be the republican party under Bush with people like romeny, Liz Cheyney, and Pelosi working together.

Well have an actual far right party and an actual fascist party.

And liberals will still tell you you have to vote for Romney because otherwise Eric Trump will win.

[–] davel@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 11 months ago

This has been the ratchet effect of the Democratic party for the last 40 years, ever since Clinton’s triangulation.

[–] the_post_oftom_joad@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yeah there was a meme on the lib-space the other day about how you have to hold your nose and VOTE (hoping for a future more progressive dem) or you'll lose the chance to vote forever.

But if you follow the logic to its end-point, the meme fails. Since the DNC picks your D candidate, and D is the only one you can vote for forever, are you really voting for a future you can look forward to now? Is there even a point when one side is a hand-picked quiet fascist and the other is a loud obnoxious fascist?

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Also they've used that argument before right before they lost the easiest election of the last century by refusing to even acknowledge progressives.

Than 4 years later that guy got voted out.

Seems like they're not being totally accurate in their analysis. Also after the whole "vote for the shitty candidate this time and maybe they'll be more progressive next time" is ringing a little hollow after about the 5th or 6th round of it.

[–] the_post_oftom_joad@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Man we've just got to find a way to kick all these assholes into a volcano. I don't want to die of thirst knowing some rich prick is holing up in a bunker. I would be so salty! I wanna go down with their fucking blood in my teeth.

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

If we ever get to bunkers finding air intakes and pouring concrete down them is going to be the national pastime

[–] the_post_oftom_joad@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Ooh if I'm alive I'm putting something smelly in that hole first so they can taste my esteem to their final breath

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

It would be very funny joker-troll if someone was to flood an oil tycoon's bunker with crude and then toss a match

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[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The other meme of theirs that turned out to be bullshit was "the democrats will be easier to work with" While that may be true in a vaccum, what actually happened is that all the liberals went back to brunch, leaving very few to oppose the new style of fascism that took over.

Liberals made it clear they'll only fight if their lives (and theirs alone) are threatened. The instant they're not, they lose all political animus.

[–] TeezyZeezy@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 11 months ago

That ratchet keeps spinning

[–] huf@hexbear.net 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

the dems die, the republicans split into mitt romney republicans (they get nearly all the dem voters automatically) and trumpers.

and you get a republican vs republican (new) election

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[–] TeezyZeezy@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 11 months ago

Perhaps! I would imagine it would be a weirdo libertarian type beat, tea party type of thing.

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I could see a labor party working

[–] SovietyWoomy@hexbear.net 15 points 11 months ago

A child labor party maybe doomer

[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Would finally bring the US in line with the rest of the west circa maybe 60-70 years ago if they finally did that. But I don't really see much of a labour movement over there.

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[–] M68040@hexbear.net 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

In a world that needs to evolve or die, a party that’s got a more conservative culture than the actual Conservative opposition is fundamentally doomed tbh

[–] TeezyZeezy@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 11 months ago

For sure. They refuse to adapt or falter on their shitty positions even a little bit

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The dems have no constituency. The idpol will only take you so far. At some point you have to appeal to people’s material interests, and the republicans are better than they are at appealing to the interests of the bourgeoisie.

[–] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Eh, I wouldn't say Republicans are better at that. They're just marginally better at distracting and downplaying.

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[–] Beat_da_Rich@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

As a USian I'm here for it too.

Yes, it's going to suck. But it was going to suck hard anyway. At least now the Democrats will be out of the way and unable to siphon anymore revolutionary energy from the masses. It'll be final boss time from here on out.

[–] Ildsaye@hexbear.net 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The discrediting of the liberals prior to the Russian Revolution opened a can of fake left parties. The Bolsheviks still had to defeat many bosses before, and also in the course of, finally crushing the whites.

[–] Beat_da_Rich@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 11 months ago

True. It'll be interesting to see what revolutionary organization in the US will look like going forward.

[–] PanArab@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 11 months ago

Genocide Joe proved that the Democratic Party is just polite fascists. Might as well do away with the decorum

[–] tripartitegraph@hexbear.net 16 points 11 months ago (3 children)

The only way i'll support them is if they're smothered, covered, and peppered.

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

American cheese on hashbrowns visible-disgust

[–] tripartitegraph@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago

As a sergeant in the People's Diners Brigade, Waffle House Division, I must ask you to face the wall

[–] timicin@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 11 months ago

i want them candied lol

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[–] Kirbywithwhip1987@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 11 months ago

I just can't endure the suffering of next year when the elections come, Trump probably wins and puts the nail in the coffin while everyone seethes 24/7 on social media...

[–] ButtigiegMineralMap@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 11 months ago (8 children)

Yea fr, Apolitical people I know who in the past were vaguely More for Dems (still didn’t vote tho) are now shit-talking Biden. And every point they bring up is pretty valid. I dont think they care enough to vote but still shows a shift in opinion

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[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

The democrats have made it clear that you're not voting against fascism, you're just providing a preference to where the fascism is pointing. The whole "oh if you don't vote democrat minorities are going to die" is BS when they're literally funding a mass genocide as we speak.

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[–] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago

let 'im cook!

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