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...Do you guys think this sudden Chinese ability to manufacture technology might have something to do with the entire Western World spending three or four decades outsourcing the manufacturing of every single kind of technology to China specifically because it was cheap? No, no, I realize that I sound crazy when I say that.

This stuff always reminds me of China's nuclear program in the 60s. Like once the Sino-Soviet Split happened the US literally just assumed that Chinese people were too stupid to produce an atomic bomb. Even after China's first nuclear test in '64 the US would not recognize them as a nuclear power, and kept insisting they would be unable to develop nuclear armed ballistic missiles or thermonuclear weapons, both of which were then tested in the next two years and both times it was deeply shocking to the US foreign policy blob.

Also, the US went on to learning nothing from this becuase the exact same thing happened with North Korea which went from their first nuclear test to thermonuclear weapons in 10 years. Like in the early stages North Korea was very willing to surrender their nuclear weapons program for lifting of sanctions, but the US would never negotiate in good faith becuase they genuinely believed the North Koreans were to primitive to proceed to the next stage of development.

I just read an article about how the only reason they got to 7nm was because they were abusing their less advanced methods by being willing to make a ton of faulty chips for every good one, and that it was incredibly inefficient and only feasible because of STATE INTERVENTION which is a free-market cheat code. Basically the human-wave attack propaganda but for microprocessors, lol.

Seems like they figured some things out on their own.

feat previously thought impossible

our geopolitical foes aren't inherently dumber than us :0

Its going to be fake and not real and also stolem because its china

US sanctions failed again?

"defying U.S. sanctions" the most beautiful combination of three words you will ever hear

defying U.S. sanctions

because the US tried to stop a chinese company from doing business with anothe chinese company lol

“7 nm”, “5 nm”, etc are all lies at this point. They mean nothing, just marketing terms. Nothing actually measures 5 nm. Idk what they’re doing to make the processors better, but it’s not shrinking the transistors as the name implies.

And since it’s a marketing term, there’s no objective way to measure it.

The term "5 nm" has no relation to any actual physical feature (such as gate length, metal pitch or gate pitch) of the transistors being 5 nanometers in size. According to the projections contained in the 2021 update of the International Roadmap for Devices and Systems published by IEEE Standards Association Industry Connection, a "5 nm node is expected to have a contacted gate pitch of 51 nanometers and a tightest metal pitch of 30 nanometers". However, in real world commercial practice, "5 nm" is used primarily as a marketing term by individual microchip manufacturers to refer to a new, improved generation of silicon semiconductor chips in terms of increased transistor density (i.e. a higher degree of miniaturization), increased speed and reduced power consumption compared to the previous 7 nm process.

Apple markets their latest processors as “3 nm”.

It's amazing how willing the US government is to do this, it would be very rough for the national governments if they just banned the import of these things in order to develop their own productive capacity. Xi and Putin should send Biden thank-you cards for helping them out so much.

Turns out if you offer capitalists money for something they will take it

Kinda want to get my hands on a Huawei Qingyun L540 laptop now, but they’re not available to backwater markets like Burgerland.

SMIC flexing on Intel now. Love to see it

Here's to hoping my next laptop is a native Linux one.

5nm is a very small penis.

Just wait until the huge chip factory powered by a particle accelerator comes online.

I was saying just the other day in another thread here that 5nm would be cracked by next year then it's a 5 or so year catch up to the final hurdles.

The optimist in me thinks 2 or 3 years before they crack 3nm and another 2 or 3 for 2nm. 6 years and they'll be on top with a manufacturing scale that is impossible for anyone else to replicate to be competitive with what they can produce.